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petermoo 
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 Posted: 11/06/2008 at 4:08pm |
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The ITTF will never ban tensors.
The ITTf would never do anything against the wishes of the major manufacturers, after all, they are the people who control the sport and make all the major equipment decisions about what gets banned and what doesnt.
If its get made by the majors; no ban.
If its made by the minor guys: ban.
Tensors are made by the guys who got the glue banned.
They control the banning so they cant be banned.
I think if you try to put tension on your rubber you will be banned but its ok for the factory to put it in as long as you buy thier stuff.
Just like the glue.
If you put in the glue effect: ban.
If the factory puts it in : no ban.
So tensors cannot be banned.
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crs2
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 4:24pm |
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A japanese youth got sick because of speedglue. Japan proposed the ban. Japan makes tenergy.
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petermoo
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 4:59pm |
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China is the worlds largest TT market. The market has been dominated by people using $12 Speedglued DHS Hurricane.
H3 can not work well without speedglue.
Ban the speedglue and you will force this market to use $65 Tenergy.
As a matter of fact, give it to the top Chinese players for free.
Tenergy conquers the Chinese market.
The Japanese youth miraculously recovers.
Switches to Tenergy.
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Hookshot
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:06pm |
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Factorys made tuners.
Tuners got banned even ones with no VOC's.  |
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Speedplay
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:14pm |
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There is no ban against tensors, period! There isn't any proposals to ban Tensors, period!
What there is, is a rule that isn't exactly worked out to make sense. Manufacturers are allowed to stretch the top sheet during the process of making rubbers, but we aren't allowed to do it after buying them. This is the reason Hookshot goes on about this, but if the rule's were to be read that strictly, then even using the sponge itself would be illegal, since OX inverted already is illegal, that would leave us no option but to play pips out. Now, who honestly thinks that Adham or anyone else in the ITTF wants this? |
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roundrobin
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:23pm |
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Tensors are not officially banned. Yet. Stretching rubbers by any player or manufacturer to add tension will be illegal after 01/01/09. If you get caught using stretched rubbers by then you will be disqualified, and banned for a year or so if caught a second time. So go ahead and use the latest tensors that dome beautifully right out of package and try to explain to the officials later that you did not stretch it yourself.
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petermoo
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:33pm |
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Can you please direct me to where it says even if the manufacturer puts in the tension it will be banned?
I do not think the ITTF can ban anything produced by the major manufacturers. They banned the glue to sell tensors so why would they ban tensors?
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varghesep
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:33pm |
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Which tensor rubber you have used has domed?
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petermoo
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:34pm |
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I have seen some that reverse dome, but I have never seen a tensor dome.
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varghesep
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:45pm |
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I'm not undermining your judgement. Here is the solution. Why don't we draft a letter and send to ITTF to clarify on rubbers with high speed and spin (not just tensors but other technologies also from different manufactures) and ask ITTF to release a statement.
Yeah! Everyone wants Mr.Adham to express his response in this forum. But things are very toxic. Give him a chance to go back to discuss this with his team and release a statement. That shows his responsibility as responsive to the concerns from the players as well as we players can use high speed & spin rubbers.
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roundrobin
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:50pm |
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Can you please direct me to where it says even if the manufacturer puts in the tension it will be banned?
I do not think the ITTF can ban anything produced by the major
manufacturers. They banned the glue to sell tensors so why would they
ban tensors?
They did not officially ban tensors. Adham has repeatedly stated they do not "ban" anything, simply that the rubber coverings must comply with new regulations. If any rubber fail a test at an ITTF event, it will disqualify the player. That's all. They will check for evidence of stretching and doming of rubber coverings starting 01/01/09. It's your job to make sure your rubbers pass, whatever they are, previously approved or not. |
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Hookshot
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:52pm |
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Thanks Roundrobin.
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varghesep
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 5:59pm |
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Friend, this is something we as players have to work with the manufacturers to make sure they follow the ITTF regulations.
If you know what is doming or stretching, you please make sure you are not violating the rule with those things on your rubber.
Before the tournament, do a voluenteery check at the racket testing room and be honest. If they tell you that your rubber has dome or stretching, show the a new same rubber that you have to the referee. This will help you to resolve any issue with your equipment before the match. It is like you get ticket to get into a train. Sometimes you can escape the checkers but if you have the ticket with you, you are confident that you will not be fined.
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Fixpoint
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 8:44pm |
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According to the ITTF rule, not only tensors but all rubbers on markets are illegal. Please read the page 10 of Technical Leaflet T4 carefully. It says �The ITTF authorisation applies to a racket covering as originally submitted and tested; its subsequent alteration, by a supplier, a player or anyone else, is not permitted.�
It also says �Submit racket covering samples, one of each colour, with no sponge� for testing. This means that only one top sheet, i.e. a sample, has been tested for each color. We know that the reproduction of the sample is not the same as the sample. That is, reproduction alters characteristics of the racket covering. Therefore, theoretically, there is only one approved top sheet for each color in the world. T4 says �The received samples will be stored for future reference.� All reproduced rubbers are illegal. This means that all TT players are forced to use illegal rubbers. ITTF should correct their rules immediately. Link to T4: http://www.ittf.com/ittf_equipment/pdf/T4_Racket_Coverings_2007.pdf |
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petermoo
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 9:43pm |
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I cant fault your reasoning here. Its a clever point you make.
Whether written incorrectly or not the fact is that the ITTF makes the rules
and they get to say whats legal or not.
They would never make a tensor rubber illegal as its not in thier financial benefit to do so. By tensor of course I am referrng to ESN products made in Germany as well as high tension Butterfly stuff.
These are the same people who lobbied to get glue banned so they could plunder us with high priced substitutes.
They call the shots.
They cant be banned.
Thier stuff cant be made illegal.
They have the power to rewrite all rules.
We have to play by those rules.
Petermoo
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TT_Freak
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Posted: 11/06/2008 at 11:21pm |
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Welcome to the real world. This is how capitalism works. Anyone who doesn't like it can go back to Cuba or Soviet Russia. ;)
This ruling targets the boosters, not tensors. Some unscrupulous players have been cheating the system, this new rule nips it in the bud. |
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