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    Posted: 05/14/2009 at 11:23pm
I was looking at some H2 top sheets I have today I noticed that they are totally different!, one has wide apart pimples and one tightly packed. Does anyone know when they changed?. One was removed from a #19 sponge and the other is a top sheet only in official DHS packaging.  Now either DHS changed H2 at some stage or one of these isn't the real deal. We need to investigate this
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Ok after some more investigation. Both the blue sponge and red commercial I have from OOAK (who buys straight from DHS) have the wide spacing. The H2 #19 I got from eacheng via ebay. Either the #19 has a different topsheet (I hated it and removed it after one night) or the whole thing is a fake. It certainly appeared legit! had the correct packaging and the little holigram and everything. But I don't beleive you can just change a top sheet completly willy nilly without the changing the name of the rubber.

This makes me wonder who has real H2's and who doesn't, I was jsut starting to think the Chinese were turning the corner regarding their dodgyness as a whole too :)
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just keep getting the ones you like, nicefrog. I dont think even the TT gods know the answers to this senselessness lol.
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Originally posted by nicefrog

But I don't beleive you can just change a top sheet completly willy nilly without the changing the name of the rubber.


I don't think they will change the topsheet. If they do, they will have to get approval from ITTF for the new topsheet..


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Maybe a case of really bad quality control.

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Could you post a picture?  I want to see the difference.
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Here's a picture the black sheet is the #19 H2 which I think maybe fake, if it's not fake then it's just no good :)

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WTF! I removed the sponge from the offcut of my latest H2 Red Commercial and it's different again to both these two! same pimple spacing as the red sheet pictured above but smaller pimples!. I wish I had some offcuts from a blue sponge right about now, I might have to cut the corner off my last new sheet:. My first sheets of Commercials 5 years ago? which were really great rubbers were the same as that red sheet pictured above above as far as I can remember, I know they definatly had much wider pimples that H3's (H3 is also conical)
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From all the variations, I think it is just really bad quality control.  Really bad! Pinch
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How can it be quality control, when they are making 3 difference moulds for one rubber :!), that's not quality control that's just making 3 different rubbers all with the same name, the actual quality of all 3 is fine :) lol just that they are all different, this explains why only 33% of people like H2 :p
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It's clearly not a quality control issue. These are not the same topsheets, I agree with nicefrog. Could the bad H2 topsheet be instead a H3 topsheet (with bad logo) ? Or, yes, total fakes.

I bought H3/19 from presports last summer and none of them had hardness specified on the sponge. Since they were slow as hell (but supposely faster than previous H3 20/21), I thought they might be fake.

Anyway, these rubbers can't behave the same way... what differences did you notice nicefrog ?
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Nah neither of these top sheets is H3, they maybe some other DHS rubber but not H3, H3 is distinct in that is has cone shaped pimples. To be honest I just didn't like the Black sheet pictured with the close together pimples at all, so I removed it after one session. It was slow and gross. I blamed the sponge :) still do really but having a different top sheet probably didn't help. I'm removing some blue sponge top sheet now to see how that is, because thats for sure a good one
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Ok Blue sponge results are in, firstly I've learned the blue sponge is made from entirely different stuff than all the other DHS sponges. It can not be removed with boiling water. Normally they seperate easy as. The blue sponge tears and breaks up and basically just falls apart when trying to remove it. However! 4 top sheets and they are ALL different. The top sheet from the blue sponge has the same pimple spacing as the original few years old red sheet pictured above but *slightly* thicker pimples, not much different but a little bit at least these two are close. Moral of that story is if you need to buy a rubber to remove the topsheet to stick on another sponge don't buy a blue sponge because you wont be getting it off. I saw some post old man haggisv made one where he rolled his eyes suggesting he didn't think the blue sponge was much/different that's the impression I got :) but cleary it is alot different.

I believe that all other things being the same a thick pimple makes a lower throw, which makes sense because the red commercial I have on my backhand although the sponge is also different does have a higher throw than the blue sponge (this red commercial has alot thinner pimples) it's still a good rubber and lower than H3 but not the same.

Anyway, after all this I'm a bit unhappy and I've decided I will have to change to a different brand that can make me the same rubber each time I need one (I might need to use my last blue sponge and try a neo first :) )
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LOL

This is exactly the reason i decided to stay away from chinese rubbers. The H3 im using lost its tackiness a couple of sessions ago. But last night the rubber was acting so weird. My bh really sucked. failed about 80% of my shots on the bh. Pushing sucked, looping sucked, even blocking was going all weird.
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Yeah but H3 is never any good :), then again I could have been using who knows what :P
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I'll tell you one thing I have about a zillion 729 topsheets and they are all identical pimple wise no matter what variation they are (except the 729-05 which is a different beast all together). Also stretching all those different H2's to feel how they all spring back the blue sponge is topsheet is clearly the most elastic and *feels* the best
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DHS commercial (and 729) rubbers behave inconstantly, I did notice that too. I thought it was sponge issue, but now, thanks to nicefrog, I realise it's more a rubber issue. And that's logical, since it easier to produce regular sponge than sophisticated pimples rubbers.

Anyway, since you are looking for constant quality rubbers, Bomb Mopha and UFO clearly are of that kind. I use 5 Mopha J sheets this season and they all behaved the same way. And the one UFO I play with now is great too. No trick at all. But they ain't chinese spirit rubbers, but eurojap ones. Non tacky, light and fast (Mopha is the lighest and fastest of both).
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nicefrog, this is cross posts, I had the worst experience with 729 FX and SP : each sheet was behaving differently. Loops were flying right on the table or to the bottom of the net, with the same motion :(.
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nicefrog, to remove the blue sponge put a piece of cloth on it, then iron it, try to remove the topsheet, if you still can't iron it again.. I removed my H2 topsheet from it's blue sponge in less than 5 minutes..
Now that you mention it, Iam so GLAD I did not decide to boil it first!!!

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That's some interesting facts and crazy methods you ppl are doing.
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