This BWII business going around

Is BWII really that good? Especially the tuned version?

simple answer: yes, for those who know how to use it and it's style.

LachlanTan wrote: Is it like the H3 provincial?

noo, more like TG3

The new vacuum pack factory tuned BW2 is really a good rubber, I can now enjoy chinese style looping table tennis without using speed glue.

Compare to BW2, the provincial H3 is not as fast as the BW2, I wish the neo would perform better.

I heard that the Neo is hold to sell because it doesn't pass the test of ITTF, this gossip is provided by a chinese supplier, I cannot proof the accuracy of this information.

With the tuned version I felt like it was 2 rubbers in one, like how some other forum members said. When I penetrated the topsheet and drove the ball into the sponge, it shot out too fast for me to handle. But when just using the topsheet, it was much slower and controllable. I couldn't deal with the incertainty and inconsistency so I peeled of the white layer on the back of the sponge, which I'm guessing was the tuning. I feel it plays alot better now. Much more predictable, thus controllable for me.

dragon kid wrote: Well I dunno about TG3, but it sure does not feel like H3P the feel is closer to H2 but not quite the same..

May I humbly and hesitantly ask exactly what BW2 is and where one can get it for $20 a sheet?  Thanks.

Thank you for your reply.  At the risk of trying your patience, could you explain just a bit about 'tuned' and 'untuned'?  Thanks again.

Imago wrote: r5705 wrote: May I humbly and hesitantly ask exactly what BW2 is and where one can get it for $20 a sheet?  Thanks.   here you are

I bought few items from them; they are not knock-off. Just the shipping time is couple weeks 

r5705 wrote: Thank you for your reply.  At the risk of trying your patience, could you explain just a bit about 'tuned' and 'untuned'?  Thanks again.

Tricky. I shall try to answer this question but i think i cannot provide a perfect answer, though it shall be good enough to give you a rough idea.

Tuning to me, arose due to the speed glue ban and people resorted to tuning, which gives rubbers the speed glue effect for a longer period of time without the need to reglue. I think there are many ways to do it, and in haifu's case, it is done in the factory with their own formula. The simplest way is to use speedglue but i wouldn't suggest it anyway, its now illegal. The factory tuned formula supposedly guarantees u that it will pass the ITTF test (and so far i haven't seen a failure from Haifu).

As to what is speed glue effect if you ask, its actually the increased elasticity of the entire rubber sheet (including sponge) due to the speed glue. It results in faster, spinnier shots and louder sound. The increased feel is hard to explain.

figgie wrote: LachlanTan wrote: Is BWII really that good? Especially the tuned version? It depends on what you mean by good. ;) I used to play with it. It played ok before it failed (delamination) in the middle of a match. Bull_harrier will atest to that. That put it on my death sentence and I gave 6 sheets away. Yes free.

basically try looping far from the table and you'll understand why. it takes twice as much strength to loop a ball that is 10 feet away from the table and still have the speed required to get past the opponent.

you can just spin the ball back but at higher levels the ball will get killed since it sits up.

with tenergy the ball can fly through a lot better and faster.

Anton, is that the guy from "no country from old men?"  Javier Bardem is it?  But that doesn't look like it's from No County.  It looks more to me like its from a movie where he went from monk in the Spanish inquisition to freedom fighter for the french revolution.  He was no hero in that movie.

no problem at all bee =). i think that you are probably right since i do not put as much power into my strokes with t05 than with bw2. this is probably partly due to the fact that if i did hit that hard with t05, i wouldn't be able to control it.

so i'll say that when i play with either t05 or bw2, the ball goes just as fast (maybe bw2 goes faster since my playing partner once said that the ball was taking off sooooo fast!)

but you will all agree that bw2 will make you tired if you're not fit enough =p

i find that bw2 lacks in punch blocks and fh blocks while t05 gives me a better blocking game...

what do you guys think?