Schlager playing in a garage

Pushblocker wrote: Indeed, many players KNOW what to do against such styles but can't execute it, or don't have the patience.. I love opponents who lose their patience..

But isn't that your game?   

Pushblocker wrote: silverhair wrote: If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.  It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.     If this is true, the players at the clubs that I play should have all started to beat me.. I rarely lose to players with both sides inverted below 2100.. Sure, bogeyhunter kicks my azz but only because he plays long pips and often gives me dead balls and I my control is much lower against dead balls.(He is also over 2200 rated right now) I need my opponents spin to have control as I don't produce spin myself... It's EXTREMELY difficult to produce dead balls with spinny rubbers.. Even if you try to produce a dead ball, there will be some spin that I can use against my opponents...

I didn't say they were going to beat you, I just said they would discover vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.  It's then up to your opponent to see if they have the skill and "game" to pull that off.  There's a big difference between seeing what to do and actually doing it. 

The interesting characteristic of long pips is that the ball keeps spinning in the same direction after being hit by long pips.  So a loop with heavy topspin will be returned as a heavy chop.  When I said that players have to think a lot while playing against long pips, I meant that they really have to consider what kind of ball they are hitting and what spin will be returned.  My preference is to use an opening loop which will be returned with heavy chop and push the ball back to the long pips defender.  When that shot is returned, the ball typically has topspin that I can attack.  If the defender returns the ball, it will have backspin so I have to start the process all over again.  My only hope is that I can be more steady and consistent with my play then my opponent.  I also have to worry that the long pips player doesn't hit one of the backspin shots I send to them since it will be returned to me with topspin.

So playing with long pips forces a player to play smarter and improve their consistency.  Even then there's no guarantee of success. 

George Hendry plays with long pips and has caught many a player unaware for over 70 years.  In his late 80s, he still has a rating over 1800.

silverhair wrote: qynthnghm wrote: TT over Study wrote: qynthnghm wrote: However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever   ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you Ha, you're hype. If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.  It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.

 

If this is true, the players at the clubs that I play should have all started to beat me.. I rarely lose to players with both sides inverted below 2100.. Sure, bogeyhunter kicks my azz but only because he plays long pips and often gives me dead balls and I my control is much lower against dead balls.(He is also over 2200 rated right now) I need my opponents spin to have control as I don't produce spin myself... It's EXTREMELY difficult to produce dead balls with spinny rubbers.. Even if you try to produce a dead ball, there will be some spin that I can use against my opponents...

qynthnghm wrote: silverhair wrote: Oh nobody EVER does that on THIS forum!         I make it a point to play against long pips from time to time just to make sure I think during a point.  I suggest that you find one just to help sharpen your skills against that kind of hardware.  Mmhmm. I have a friend who plays modern defensive and often experiments with all kinds of LP's and SP's on his backhand. Out of all the friends that I play, I find that his style gives me the most trouble. I suppose it's a positive thing since it forces me to change strategies. Playing blockers can be frustrating, I used to be one myself. One-sided Cpen with 802-40. But I was tired of giving dead balls and not to mention cracking them as well, and switched to inverted because I wanted to enjoy the game more by trying to keep it in play longer.

That's a very positive characteristic.  Playing against long pips is definitely an acquired skill.  Everything else being equal, I've found that it takes a lot of patience and smart play to keep up with a long pips player.  

dragon kid wrote: Schlager is a former world champ, that would put him somewhere around 2700 usatt (correct me if i'm wrong)..

Since Ilija Lupulesku is 2780 USATT (I just looked it up) and I can't imagine Schlager loosing a single game to him, there must be at least 200 point difference between Ilija and Werner. That would put Schlager probably above 3000 USATT level.

Schlager is a former world champ, that would put him somewhere around 2700 usatt (correct me if i'm wrong)..
so it's a 500 rating point difference there. Now think of you rating than imagine you were playing someone that is solid 500 rating points higher than you.. then you'll get the picture..

Thanks a lot, this is a great video. Anything from Schlager is good, he is the best one, the smartest player and his style is so unique.
Thanks again

silverhair wrote: qynthnghm wrote: TT over Study wrote: qynthnghm wrote: However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever � ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you Ha, you're hype. If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.� It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them. �

You're absolutely right, Silverhair. And I have already acknowledged my disadvantage in a previous post. TT over Study was just yanking my chain, that or antagonizing me.

TT over Study wrote: qynthnghm wrote: However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever � ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you

Ha, you're hype.

Pushblocker wrote: Rich215 wrote: Cool.......makes me want to delve into the dark side......just for a taste!  haaa   I would like to try some LP's and block like that...... Thanks for sharring!    Let me know when you drain your indoor pool...Id love to skate it before you fill it in! Indoor pool is drained but not filled yet.. Haven't made up my mind if I'll fill it in or fix it.. Whenever I get the estimate on how much to fix it, I'll decide what I'll do..

Can you show a pic of it ....deep end curves area at bottom...and close up of the coping would be nice.   If local vert skaters saw that thing...they would be over there right now..haaaaa   

bogeyhunter wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o

I have to say after watching that vid, those forehand serves look pretty blatantly under arm there. Looking from both sides of the table him serving, 95% sure it was hidden there.

Seeing Schlager play in that garage is like seeing a dog walk on it's hind legs. lol

stepheN wrote: funny to see a worldclass player playing in a garage, schlager seems to be a very grounded person. what leagues did you play back in austria (plus a compare to germany if possible) ? arent long pips that much used in the US?

I used to play 3. Klasse (4th highest league in Vienna of 17 leagues). When I came to the US, my initial rating was 1881.. So, I'd say that 1800's is about the same as 3. Klasse in Vienna.  Since then, I improved my game and strategy a lot and I'm now rated in the 2200's, which is about 3 - 4 classes higher, so I should be either a weaker Landesliga player or a strong 1. Klasse player in Vienna..

le xex wrote: @pushblocker: if you were to play with inverted both sides what would you estimate your rating to be?

The best player that I've ever beaten with both sides inverted was about 1800 and I only won because of my serves..  The highest rating that I could probably compete at with inverted would probably average in the 1600's.. It really doesn't matter what level I'd play with inverted as my playing style is not set up for inverted.. What would your level be if you'd use anti on both sides? Where would  Wang Hao be if he'd play long pips on both sides?? I'm sure that he wouldn't even be in the top 100 in the world but he is #1 with his rubbers.. There are appropriate rubbers for each style.

Cool.......makes me want to delve into the dark side......just for a taste!  haaa   I would like to try some LP's and block like that......

Thanks for sharring!    Let me know when you drain your indoor pool...Id love to skate it before you fill it in!