Tenergy-too much spin!

So I tried Tenergy out on a korbel the other day, 05 FH 64 BH, the "typical" setup I guess. I like to force a long push through well placed pushes or flip to initiate a rally, the faster I can move to mid table looping the better. Please note that this was just a test for fun, I'm still sticking with my sriver both sides until I've reached my other goals, although the blade search is still ongoing.

Pushes and serves were great, I got tons of spin, but as soon as I moved to mid table looping problems occurred. I almost always would have so much spin on the ball from back there, that the ball would land on MY side! Is this because I'm so used to sriver and have to brush to get enough spin and arc? Is my loop so super-powered through perfect technique that I can generate more topspin than any human(unlikely)? Is this a blade or technique issue, or would I mearly need to adjust to the rubber and hit forward more? I switched to 64 on FH to try it at mid table since that is it's listed strength, an it was slightly better, I still had to hit forward much more than I was used to to get theball over the net.

After a while I just stopped trying so hard for speed and spin, and it was like magic rubber, super shots with little effort, and I could put them where I wanted exactly. (idk but this may be what people refer to as lazy) I know this rubber should be able to be used with every amount of effort I can generate, the pros do it. What needs to change?

I know i said I'm sticking to sriver, and I am for at least 8 months, but I want to keep upgrades for that time in mind.

So pretty much tenergy was way too spinny, I felt it allowed me to get lazy. Please let me know answers to above questions though.

Also Im posting from my phone in class because my proffesor is boring, please excuse syntax mistakes and stuff that might be weird from my phone

if you`re looping against underspin and the ball lands on your side of the table then you are not driving the ball forward enough or not arcing the ball high enough. Tenergy will be VERY, YES VERY, sensitive to spin so you swing lazily, then the ball will not clear your side of the table. try to increase your swing speed and see how it goes. my bet is that if you use t64 on the fh, you won`t have so much problem with this issue anymore (but you might still have some...just less)

lol now it's confusing....so you were looping topspin balls (aka counterlooping) and the ball was landing on your side of the table? how much clearance was on the ball (how high above the net), when were you making contact with the ball? (top of the bounce, below the table, etc...)

i suck at picturing so it would be helpful =)

Very weird. 'Cos every time I play with the T05 I almost always go long and high on most shots. T64 was significantly better as the trajectory was more linear, but the T05 did put in a lot of spin. I know a lot of players who put so much top-spin on the ball that it looks like it going about a foot long but lands on the table almost 2 inches in. T05 does cause a severe dip on heavy top-spin but not to the amount you described.

BMonkey wrote: I think I might have figured it out... who were you playing against? What were they using? I think you were getting counterhits instead of counterloops.

Now there is a thought.

I think I remember who I was playing, but I'm pretty sure they were counter looping but I could be wrong. They were definitely using inverted, but maybe my vicious spin was causing them to counter hit instead of loop Actually no one in my club really knows how to counter hit, although I've taught some now, warming up with anybody is so hard because all they do is try to crush the ball! ergghhh. But off topic. Anyway that might have been the case though. I should borrow my friends paddle again and try it, just to make sure I'm not going crazy!

well duh, if you brush loop the ball isn't going to have a lot of speed to it =). lol but to be serious...i feel like you're not digging the ball into the sponge enough.

i think that you're using nothing but topsheet with your arc loops. if you are using nothing but topsheet as i stated earlier, then you are not following through with your swing enough. you're basically half swinging....the further away you are from the table, then more you need to follow through. put up a vid and i'll see =)

tpgh2k wrote: well duh, if you brush loop the ball isn't going to have a lot of speed to it =). lol but to be serious...i feel like you're not digging the ball into the sponge enough. i think that you're using nothing but topsheet with your arc loops. if you are using nothing but topsheet as i stated earlier, then you are not following through with your swing enough. you're basically half swinging....the further away you are from the table, then more you need to follow through. put up a vid and i'll see =)

Haha, everyone here loves my videos! To be honest though I took so many last semester I filled up my computer's 130GBs! I'm moving them to disks now though, then I can get over my bronchitis and sinus infection, then I can make a video

I had my first experience last night with T-05 and I have to say i was impressed. It was spinier than a fox news news program and I enjoyed the arc it created on spin loops.

tenergy,on my way to the club to have my first ever hit with this rubber T64  will let you know my first impressions

IMHO, Tenergy is da sh*ttiest rubber in da world!

YBFlash wrote: IMHO, Tenergy is da sh*ttiest rubber in da world! I tried 05, 25, 64 and all of them has no catapult at all... �

Depends also what kinda blade you are using. Tenergy is not sh*t. Just play a 20 year old rubber, after that, play with Tenergy... You feel enormously differences.

i think thats why the US are the best, because their technique is so perfect that they miss every time..

YBFlash wrote: IMHO, Tenergy is da sh*ttiest rubber in da world! I tried 05, 25, 64 and all of them has no catapult at all...

I'm not a fan of Tenergy Rubbers, but to say that Tenergy 64 has no catapult is totally wrong.

I find almost no rubber has any catapult worth talking about anymore.  For me the feeling of catapult was highest in bryce super speed glued.

I've played with Max Sriver EL, 2.1mm Tenergy 05 and 2.1mm Tenergy 64 on the Petr Korbel and all of them work well on the blade, for mid distance looping.

Of the three, Tenergy 64 is the one that excels at mid distance looping, on both wings of the Petr Korbel; whereas Tenergy 05 is not far behind and still a solid performer.

For someone used to playing Sriver EL on the Petr Korbel,  that is a good combination too; so you can carry on using it or be prepared to spend some time learning how to play with Tenergy and it will require a period of adjustment after Sriver EL.