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    Posted: 02/05/2010 at 2:26am

Recently I just changed from a 162g blade to my current setup which is 182g. I'm experiencing quite a lot of stress in my tendons leading up to the muscles on the forearm just after a few 4 hr sessions. I can't play properly now, whenever I try to loop my whole forearm becomes stiff! Cry I think it could be due to a weak wrist and want to train it sometime after some rest...

How do you guys strengthen your wrist?


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I am increasing my setup weight too, mine is 176 grams. My wrist has also been hurting a lot, but this is due to hours of service practice. I think I am trying too hard for spin.

I also have the problem of everything being "stiff" and it feels like you can't play.

One thing is for sure though: your blade better not have a hollow handle. Even with lighter setups this can cause wrist problems. More weight on the head=more strain on wrist. Maybe try lighter rubber?
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gradually... play with lesser duration...
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if your wrist gets tired it means that your arms and wrist are too stiff as you swing. i've got tiny wrists but they don't hurt b/c i keep it loose and let the motion become effortless
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my reverse pendulum practice is what's doing it, I need to take it easy
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try exercising your wrist with a 5 lbs dumbell.. do wrist rotations, and also flexion & extension
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Originally posted by yogi_bear

try exercising your wrist with a 5 lbs dumbell.. do wrist rotations, and also flexion & extension


Maybe combine this with an exercise for fast twitch muscle? I don't think the bulk in your wrists would help.

I am a percussionist, although I don't practice as much as I used to. When I did I would "chop out" for long periods of time, while watching tv, riding in a car, etc. Chopping out is where you do the same repetitive, powerful strokes, for long periods without stopping. This causes such a deep burn in these muscles, and really builds the fast twitch reflexes and strength. BUT, when you drum, there is significant rebound from the head, therefore, my wrist strength is all for strokes down (same wrist movement as pendulum) and not for strokes up (same wrist movement as reverse pendulum). I think this could be where my problem lies.

One exercise that I know will help I can describe but don't know the proper name. You can make one of these easily btw. One short stick, pole, pvc pipe etc. about 1-2 ft long (I use 1.5in to 2 in. PVC), attach through the middle (so it will not rotate around or slide along) a rope, about 2 feet long. At the end of the rope attach a weight of some sort (you pick the ammount)

To use it, hold it straight out in front of you and you will work your upper arms as well although I guess you could hold it closer to work only the wrists. Now, as fast as you can, use your hands and wrists to rotate the pole therefore rolling up the weigh to the top, then roll it all the way back down. Do this turning the pole both direction. Great workout for forearms and wrists especially.
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dead lifts WITHOUT straps.
 
it works the legs but i as works your grip since you have to hold the weights ;)
 
180 lbs of weghts on an olympic bar with inverted grip will FRY your forearms/wrists by the 3rd set.
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Wrist curls with weights?
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or better yet, try a medicine racket made of lead. my coach has a 5 lbs medicine racket and its heavy 
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your wrist shouldn't be hurting from reverse pendulum serves. again i feel like you might be forcing it too much. the loose wrist is how you will be generating all your spin.
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if you are injured, see a doctor.
if you have wrist pain from a prior injury, well you may have to live with it.
(I broke a bone in my wrist and it hurts still 10 years later-- breaks tend to hurt with age)
if you are having pain because of a certain movement in TT, then see a coach about your stroke. remember to relax shoulders and not muscle the stroke, this could lead to stiffness and stress on your whole swing...resulting in power loss and maybe injury.
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thanks for all the replies... I think I found out the real problem. I continue gripping hard to my bat after my FH/BH stroke ends. I guess i need to learn to relax more. 

powerball's too expensive for me... i guess i'll try reinecke's method someday after i feel better.

Reinecke, perhaps you can replace the reverse pendulum with a forehand tomahawk serve. It can create the same types of spin and uses the same wrist motion as pendulum serve.


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I've been practicing reverse pendulum for a month and a half now, and it is just recently that it has started hurting. I also seem to be producing less spin on it, I bet you I am trying to hard, I just need to relax.
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The root problem is heavy blades.

Why not using something lighter?

Lighter blades are not necessarily less powerful.

Doing some wrist training may help a bit to increase muscles power but may lose some fine control.

I reckon the fingers need to be trained as well.

The highest level of TT playing is fingers.

Close table cpen RPB, FH loop/drive require not only wrist but also the fingers to turn the blade.

On RPB, it is not just the wrist, it is also the two curled up fingers, middle and fourth, to spring out the racket. Similarly, the curled up two small fingers need to spring out the blade for FH loop/drive.

This does not apply to handshake.
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Just on a note, how to train fingers.

Whenever you need to push open the door, don't use the palm side. Use the outer side to see if you can spring open the door with the four fingers not counting the thumb.

I have used to push open doors in this way.

Alternatively, press your fist on a wall to see if the fingers can help to push you away from the wall by sraightening the fingers.
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Watch some old kung fu movies, do pushups switching from front to back of your wrists at the top, strengthen them up in no time.
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This is the best thing I have ever found to strengthen the hands and forearms it is a beast! It's fun to do and you get a tremendous work out of not only your wrist and forearms but it can also work your upper arm and shoulder.
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Originally posted by elpmip

The root problem is heavy blades.

Why not using something lighter?

Lighter blades are not necessarily less powerful.

Doing some wrist training may help a bit to increase muscles power but may lose some fine control.

I reckon the fingers need to be trained as well.

The highest level of TT playing is fingers.

Close table cpen RPB, FH loop/drive require not only wrist but also the fingers to turn the blade.

On RPB, it is not just the wrist, it is also the two curled up fingers, middle and fourth, to spring out the racket. Similarly, the curled up two small fingers need to spring out the blade for FH loop/drive.

This does not apply to handshake.
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The blade weighs roughly the same as a regulation size baseball....150 grams.
 
if the weight of the blade is ever a concern.... stop playing ping pong, hit the gym, lift some freeweights, eat lots of protein, build some muscle. Hell, couple of dumb bell curls with proper form and 30 lbs will do wonders for "wrist" training  along with over all strength training.
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I don't like light blades either, but I used to have a very heavy setup.
Now I have a medium blade. I feel that I can serve a lot better than with the heavy blade. Also reverse pendulum serves are a lot easier.
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Playing tt is not about muscle.

It is non sense to compare TT blade with baseball.
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Originally posted by elpmip

Playing tt is not about muscle.

It is non sense to compare TT blade with baseball.
 
actually incorrect
 
pitchers wing the balls at 80+ mph for a lot of throws. Yet here we are with people not even puttig close to that energy and wrists hurting, backs blowing out???
 
TT is about muscle (read that statement until it sinks). specifically core muscles, legs and minimal upper body inclusion save for fine movements. What this means especially without speed glue to mask strength deficencies now a days is that the ONLY way to up power is to increase fast twitch muscles in the correct spots.
 
What, you think tt players that are GOOD only do tt training without any outside training? If that is what you think you are HIGHLY mistaken.
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Originally posted by cntcasey

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This is the best thing I have ever found to strengthen the hands and forearms it is a beast! It's fun to do and you get a tremendous work out of not only your wrist and forearms but it can also work your upper arm and shoulder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGGXdOELqA

http://www.dynaflexpro.com/store.php?crn=216&rn=403&action=show_detail


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"TT is about muscle (read that statement until it sinks). specifically core muscles, legs and minimal upper body inclusion save for fine movements. What this means especially without speed glue to mask strength deficencies now a days is that the ONLY way to up power is to increase fast twitch muscles in the correct spots."

So, Arnie or a sumo plays better tt than a skinny Zhang Yi Ning, Liu Shi Wen?

It is not just muscles. I doubt many of muscular you can beat a 70+ years old man with a feather light cpen with single side LP. He is skinny, he does not moved away from table or from side to side. He even needs a stick to walk.

With a flip of wrist or fingers, you are going to run here and there like dog to save the ball.
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