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    Posted: 02/07/2010 at 12:34am
Pretty sure this has gone answered before, but I'm looking for a slower rubber with more grip for spin. I'm currently looking into bryce speed fx as I have played it before, but I am also curious about this Barracuda b/c it is rated about 8.5 on speed but around 9.4 on spin on the DB. It actually as of current...has a higher overall than tenergy 05. I haven't played with 05 so if anyone will be so polite as to compare barracuda to hexer or speed fx. I will greatly appreciated it. By the way, ttnpp has barracuda for 35.00 and price is of the object so if it is worth it compared to BSFX at 47.00 then just let me know TIA.
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Barracuda felt really slow to me, very spinny, you might like it.  On my blade it felt slower than Hexer, definitely slower than Tenergy 05.  At the same time it Barracuda had a nice feel for blocking.  Definitely softer than T05, comparable to Hexer I think.  
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among this 3 rubbers, i like Hexer the most... good speed, spin and control...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bumpernets19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/08/2010 at 12:44am
thnx you two. I just kind of want something that hovers above the table forever before hitting on the back line...kind of like coppa jo platin soft did for me. Just need something a little slower to work on form. Also...does anyone know the cut weight of barracuda compared to hexer tenergy or other tensors.
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I just tried Baracuda 2.0 along with T05, T64, and Platin Soft, and it was my least favorite of the bunch. Like the Tenergies, it is spinny with a high throw angle, but noticeably slower than the other three. When you try to rip a ball with the Baracuda, the ball is more likely to just fly off the table without much of a feeling of control. As for spinning something slow to the back line, it does a really good job in that area, but the next ball might not be as easy because of the lack of speed and control (compared to the other three).
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Originally posted by bumpernets19

Also...does anyone know the cut weight of barracuda compared to hexer tenergy or other tensors.

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that's a nice list thanks.
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Sleepwalker pretty much summarized my experience.  My favorites are T05>T64 = Hexer > Platin soft >>> Barracuda.

But, what doesn't work for me might be good for someone else.  Bumpernets, based on what you said you are looking for, I still think you might like Baracuda.
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THNX BAAL. Hexer and Barracuda are the same price...I just can't decide... what a pickle.
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if baracuda doesnt have its too high of a throw angle i would have taken it.. i loved the spin and the controlled speed but the ridiculously high angle makes it difficult to control
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I've tried both. No second doubt that I'll will pick the Hexer if I have to choose. Lighter,little harder, a bit faster. Baracuda had kind a loose feel.
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oooooooohhhhhh thanks for this review.
 
There is no way in hell I will touch Baracuda now.  Hexer was very easily noticably slower than tenergy, and I have only found tenergy 05 too fast rarely.
 
Hexer I found too slow about half the time of each point.
 
Slow is great in serve and short passive blocky stuff but after that give me something with some love of the sport - spin and speed.
 
I used solcion and f3 big slam in the past.  I see Hexer as mix of those 2 with more spin.
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been trying tenergy 64 now for the past week,let me point out that this is the best playing rubber on the market (imo) I will never put my h3 neo back on it is no comparison.

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yeah, tenergy is the best rubber out there now.  and i honestly believe that just because of that alone, we are gonna see more upsets of the top chinese this year.
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Originally posted by takaaki

yeah, tenergy is the best rubber out there now.  and i honestly believe that just because of that alone, we are gonna see more upsets of the top chinese this year.
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moscow wc??  we'll see...  Wink
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Originally posted by takaaki

yeah, tenergy is the best rubber out there now.  and i honestly believe that just because of that alone, we are gonna see more upsets of the top chinese this year.


Yeah, just like at the 2009 WTTC where only the Chinese proved capable of knocking out the Chinese...and how the guy who was using it won the world cup...or the pro tour finals...or how the winner of the European champions was...oh wait...has a tenergy user won anything yet???
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it's coming!! just be patient--it takes a while to get used to!!  Tongue
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granted, no tenergy player has won a major yet, but timo, oh, and mizutani have won some pro tour events in the past year and timo won the euro top-12 this past weekend.

what majors have b-cuda and hexer players have won??  do any of the top players even play with those rubbers?

to be truthful, i've never used b-cuda and hexer, but i have tried out other donic and andro rubbers and they just don't compare to tenergy, period!!
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Originally posted by takaaki

granted, no tenergy player has won a major yet, but timo, oh, and mizutani have won some pro tour events and timo won the euro top-12 this past weekend.what majors have b-cuda and hexer players have won??  do any of the top players even play with those rubbers?


That just puts the burden of proof harder on Tenergy. They have what, 40-60% of pros using it and they havent won anything big with it yet? I havent seen any jump in those people's game really since they went to it, nothing to give them the edge over the Chinese...
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come on!!  clearly the japanese are moving up.  mizutani won a pro tour event last year.  when was the last time a (native) japanese player won a pro tour event?

and kishikawa took out boll last year.  correct me if i'm wrong, but he and maze were the only non-chinese to accomplish that feat in 2009.

and then they almost pulled off an upset of the chinese team recently, so maybe they can get over the hump in moscow this year.  we'll see.
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come on!!  clearly the japanese are moving up.  mizutani won a pro tour event last year.  when was the last time a (native) japanese player won a pro tour event?and kishikawa took out boll last year.  correct me if i'm wrong, but he and maze were the only non-chinese to accomplish that feat in 2009.and then they almost pulled off an upset of the chinese team recently, so maybe they can get over the hump in moscow this year.  we'll see.


So you're bragging that one tenergy user beat another tenergy user? One pro tour event win? Out of how many? That's hardly compelling proof.
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I use neither the hurricane III neo in my cupboard nor the tenergy 64 in my cupboard.
 
t64 would be better for anyone who is unwilling to learn the Chinese stroke, but for those that have developed the Chinese way Hurricane III neo is the best Chinese rubber I have ever used.
 
As for players winning because of tenergy, highly doubt it.  The Chinese will win even if they the cheapest chinese rubber out there.
 
They are trained so well and that is what wins.  No rubber will change that.
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I use neither the hurricane III neo in my cupboard nor the tenergy 64 in my cupboard.
 
t64 would be better for anyone who is unwilling to learn the Chinese stroke, but for those that have developed the Chinese way Hurricane III neo is the best Chinese rubber I have ever used.
 
As for players winning because of tenergy, highly doubt it.  The Chinese will win even if they the cheapest chinese rubber out there.
 
They are trained so well and that is what wins.  No rubber will change that.

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I have not played with Hexer nor Tenergy, but I have no problems with using Baracuda. It actually is  a good rubber, but you need to understand what it does and how it does it. Primarily, adjustments in angle and wrist motion for counter loops is needed when making powerful drives. 

What I love about it, you can always have more spin on your strokes this rubber as long as you have the technique to do so.

I am mainly comparing this rubber to Coppa Jo Series rubbers which I used before switching to Baracuda.
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Originally posted by takaaki

yeah, tenergy is the best rubber out there now.  and i honestly believe that just because of that alone, we are gonna see more upsets of the top chinese this year.
 
I agree. I think tenergy is giving an edge to the player over chinese sheets.
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if baracuda doesnt have its too high of a throw angle i would have taken it.. i loved the spin and the controlled speed but the ridiculously high angle makes it difficult to control


I agree with the high-throw issue, but I have spent some time hitting with it on my backhand and have adjusted to the throw.  I really like the amount of spin it puts on the ball with backhand loops.  In comparing Barracuda to the others, it's my preference and choice for backhand.  

I have found it soft, good for backhand.  Not too fast but definitely very grippy and spinny.  IMO, better control to the other listed rubbers.    


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Aren't most of the Chinese using Tenergy on their backhands already? It would be interesting to see one of the players switch to Spin Art but that's not going to happen on DHS' watch. (That watch is made in China btw)
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Aren't most of the Chinese using Tenergy on their backhands already? It would be interesting to see one of the players switch to Spin Art but that's not going to happen on DHS' watch. (That watch is made in China btw)


That really doesn't matter much unless you're as good a player as "most of the Chinese" players to which you refer.  There may be a different feel to one rubber or another, but to master the potential of most rubber requires a lot more talent than most of the readers of this forum.  And to that I include myself.






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Originally posted by Thaidog

Aren't most of the Chinese using Tenergy on their backhands already? It would be interesting to see one of the players switch to Spin Art but that's not going to happen on DHS' watch. (That watch is made in China btw)


That really doesn't matter much unless you're as good a player as "most of the Chinese" players to which you refer.  There may be a different feel to one rubber or another, but to master the potential of most rubber requires a lot more talent than most of the readers of this forum.  And to that I include myself.






I agree the change in equipment is minimal but what I am getting at is that you would never see a Chinese player using anything other than a "true" Chinese rubber on their forehand. Most of the time these days that means DHS.
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