How to make a fake topspin loop?

Hi,

I'm wondering how we can do a fake loop that will have less spin than the real loop?  And I think this kind of fake loop only works with backspin incoming balls because I don't think we can do fake loop with less spin if the incoming ball is topspin.

I ask this question because I read an article saying that we need to vary the spin by mixing up the fake loop with the real loop.

Could anyone tell me how to execute this loop?

Thanks.

FireHorse

The obvius way to shange spin is to just vary speed and touch to the ball. If you make an extra movement with your arm and wrist just before touching the ball, - more spin there shall be Master. But that we all know.

If u like to vary spin with out making it obvius to your opponent you can make a "C" movment with your bat in the end of you loop insted of a backward C. So insted of coming over the top of the ball you lieave it much sooner and dont creat that much spin. With that teqnuiqe you can have the same speed in the bat in a simulare stroke, and disive your oponent thinking it is heavy spin in the ball whe it is acctually no spin at all.

I have no ide if this is correct and i doubt its used in the higher classes, but at least it works in practic.

This also works with any spin, but you need to compromise your stroke to the incoming spin wich makes it a bit tricky on some wery spiny balls.


An other way is to make the exakt same loop as you normaly do but hit the ball at the end of you bat instead at the beginning of the bat, this will prevent the ball from making the spin when it normally "rolls" on the rubber.

Hope anything of this make sence, sorry about my bad english.

I dunno, I've seen some Japanese players use a fake loop to some success, even against Chinese top players. It was something like contacting it on the bottom of the racket and some unique combination or racket angle and such, very complex.

Zingy is right on. If you are involved in a counterloop exchange, hitting it back with less grzing on the ball will probably make the other player his the ball into the net.

Originally posted by ohhgourami Just flat smack it?  Just remember you can't do this for shots that are too low...

Yes, I believe that I can flat smack it but I was wondering how to do a fake loop that appears to be a loop but not as spinny as the real one.  Flat hit only works for the shots that are high enough.

FireHorse

Originally posted by APW46 You mean a dummy loop. It only easy to perform if you know exactly how much spin is on the incoming chopped ball, its worth it though, LP defenders hate it because when performed correctly the ball has little energy and if they don't spot what you have done they will miss-judge the depth of their return and likely chop the ball in the net.  To perform this shot, set up in the ready position as if you are going to loop the ball ( high loop, not drive) let the ball drop lower than table height and with a very 'open' bat face lift the ball upwards, following through as if you had looped. There will be topspin on the ball, but no-where near as much as if you had brushed the ball thinly. If you miss-read the spin and its float, you will shovel the ball miles off the other end of the table, so you have to be confident about what you are doing. This shot is also good for lifting extremely heavy backspin, but it is an advanced shot.

^^this.

I've found practicing "looping" against chop with a hard bat will teach you roughly how to do this shot.

As Apw said, you really need to read the incoming spin or you could be in trouble =D

Originally posted by APW46 Originally posted by Fruit loop [QUOTE=APW46] I've found practicing "looping" against chop with a hard bat will teach you roughly how to do this shot.    Now that is a superb way to describe how to play this shot, Thanks, that is logged in the think bank.

Originally posted by APW46 You mean a dummy loop. It only easy to perform if you know exactly how much spin is on the incoming chopped ball, its worth it though, LP defenders hate it because when performed correctly the ball has little energy and if they don't spot what you have done they will miss-judge the depth of their return and likely chop the ball in the net.  To perform this shot, set up in the ready position as if you are going to loop the ball ( high loop, not drive) let the ball drop lower than table height and with a very 'open' bat face lift the ball upwards, following through as if you had looped. There will be topspin on the ball, but no-where near as much as if you had brushed the ball thinly. If you miss-read the spin and its float, you will shovel the ball miles off the other end of the table, so you have to be confident about what you are doing. This shot is also good for lifting extremely heavy backspin, but it is an advanced shot.

I'll try to do what you describe in my practice and see if I can fool my practice partners

Thanks.

FireHorse