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henryu 
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 Topic: Ma Long's Skill Analysis: What do you think?Posted: 03/17/2010 at 11:45am |
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Do you think he is the best model for future Chinese players? Skill and Mental Pros: Forehand topspin loop attack is very quick. Linkings and continuity are very good. Few mistakes during the games. Middle and far way from table defense and counterloop are very well. Footwork fast. Very good at serves and return of serves. A very smart player Forehand side drops, flips and short ball loops are very good. have good experience in the major tournaments. Vigorous to fight during the games. Skill and Mental Cons: 1. Technical structures too much emphasis on forehand loop. 2. Forehand and Backhand strokes are little bit big. 3. Forehand kill loops are not strong enough. 4. His games are lack of rhythm changes. 5. Backhand side close table defense is not good enough. 6. Backhand side drops are easily popup. 7. Backhand side receives underspin serve attack (1st short underspin ball attack) is not good since he just flips the balls and cannot loop the ball inside the table. 8. Sometimes play in critical time is lack the confidence. |
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Baal
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Every great player is something new compared to previous ones, and each has their own personality and strengths and weaknesses -- and some things that they do differently from nearly everyone else (think about Wang Hao's backhand, Waldner's serves and his down-the-line backhand, WLQs forehand). Also, some other great player eventually comes along with an answer to the previous one, or the previous one's skills decline, sometimes fairly quickly (Gatien). So the idea that Ma Long or WLQ or Wang Hao or the Cookie Monster should be "a model for future Chinese players" is a bad question and I would bet it is not the way the Chinese national coaches look at things. The next great player (I am betting it will be Xu Xin or somebody new) will have something different from any of these guys. Ma Long is very very good, but he is not yet a great player because he has not won one of the really important tournaments yet. He certainly has a chance to be, but WLQ had accomplished quite a bit more at the same age.
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Baal
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WLQ in his prime was almost unbeatable, I think he is the greatest player of all time (which I know is a touchy subject on these pages). Ma Long who is currently in his prime is beatable.
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spitfire
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his mental problem is still what bothers me. He seems to "melt down" too often. People don't care because he often collect himself and eventually win, but he have a tendency to "shut down" during games.
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takaaki
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what do i think? i think ma long is very skillful. he has a high skill level.
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kenneyy88
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Posted: 03/17/2010 at 2:13pm |
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I think tactically he is not up to par as former greats, but he is one of the best technical players of this generation, with great footspeed and explosive movements.
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TBS9x
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Isn't wang hao was the one that was really unbeatable during his reign? Anyway, you guys say that he's mentally weak as I understand but he won over Joo few very close matches and I always see him fighting hard even on the very last points, just watch the chinese national trials and the match him vs xu xin in kuwait.
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kenneyy88
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Wang haos reign was like a few years, Wang Liqin was unbeatable for a long time.
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Jonan
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Aaaaaanyway, back on topic. I don't know if you could call Ma Long's long strokes a weakness, maybe in the future when he slows down it will be, but right now he's so quick and fast to recover and has such good form, he doesn't really ever get caught by a surprise counter out of position, with his arm anyway.
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vvk1
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Of course Ma Long is a good model for future Chinese player. Just like Ma Lin, WLQ, Wang Hao, Chen Qi, etc!
After all, anyone who's ever reached the world top 10 is a good model for everyone else who hasn't. |
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gnome
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mayb slightly off topic,
but just in terms of aesthetics, i feel that the forehand and backhand loop of wang hao and zhang jike just looks a lot more effortless compared to ma long's. but ma long still deserves #1 ranking. |
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dauntless
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What I see is that amongst the greatest players of all time, Ma Long is not 100% complete. I think his style is great and I love to watch him play, but there is not a certain "magic" there compared to prime Ma Lin, WLQ, Kong, LGL, or Waldner. I think he is young still and has plenty of time to find some small bit of magic (not that he needs much
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Jonan
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Even if he doesnt achieve as much as some previous players, he certainly will stand up as a model of form. His quickness, footwork, forehand power, recovery from strokes, etc are just exceptional. |
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dauntless
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Posted: 03/18/2010 at 1:09am |
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I agree. |
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TT over Study
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Posted: 03/18/2010 at 1:32am |
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lol, wang haos reign was a couple weeks
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TBS9x
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LOL It wasn't a couple of weeks...I remember I always hoped for someone to beat him for a long time
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jcdi
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I think that Ma Long is indeed the strongest player at the moment but the gap between him and his followers is very tight. Xu or Zhang are very close, not to mention Ma Lin, Wang hao or Liqin.
He has it all : Strong physic, very fast motion and footwork, perfect technic and powerful shots.
I'd say that his biggest weakness (if any...) comes from is biggest strengh : Power.
In other words, when he's not in perfect shape, suffers a cold or anything else (see latest qatar/kuwait open), he can't compete properly. His game really needs him to be 100% fit otherwise,it doesn't work.
Kong Linghui could play anytime not him...
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TT over Study
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Posted: 03/18/2010 at 7:43am |
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lol wang hao had a reign?? well i remember ma lin smashed him in the olympics... then i remember wang hao won the world ch and nationals, that lasted for like a few months, LOL thats not a reign |
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ocvillager
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Posted: 03/18/2010 at 11:28am |
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excellent analysis. Totally agree! thanks for sharing
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ocvillager
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I think because there're more great players nowaday compare to the time of Waldner, Malin , WLQ.
WLQ is always the same now and then. In fact his BH now is even better than before and his mental game is even better. That said, there're a lot players who can beat him because the level of young players nowaday is higher.
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MrCrispy
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Ma Long is no doubt a great player, the world #1 but to me his superiority comes a lot from his footwork and speed. He has very quick reaction times and is always looking to attack on every single ball, even his blocks are offensive. This is something that I think will decline as he slows down, and the rest of his strokes/game will suffer.
This is opposed to someone like WLQ/Waldner who's success is based around 1 huge weapon (forehand, serve, variety) and strategy and being able to adapt. |
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NoFootwork
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I am not qualified to critique Ma Long's technique and his "short comings". Some of you on this forum may have reached top 5 in the world yourselves or have trained someone to reach top 5 and as such are able to provide proper insights to his game.
Ma Long has had and continues to have many top level coaches. I am sure they discuss all his areas of improvement with him and what he needs to do if he wants to continue his reign as World #1 and win the big titles 
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ocvillager
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Posted: 03/19/2010 at 12:21pm |
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eheheh i love what you're saying. I totally agree.
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In that case, i don't think any one here is qualified to discus him, but I still think we should be allowed to share our own opinions as to how we read the game and see players strength and weaknesses. Ma Long still have a long way to go to be compared with the truly greats of the sport, but he could very well do so, despite the flaws we might find in his current game. I remember when Pete Sampras reached the top spot in the tennis ranking and some, so called experts, said that this was a sign that Tennis was weak at the moment since Sampras was the weakest top rated player in history. Now, we all know what he came to achieve. Ma Long could very well be the player that eliminates all the discussions about the greatest player ever. I doubt it, but we don't really know. When it comes to his big strokes, it really doesn't matter if you have big or small strokes, what is important is to get back in neutral position after the stroke. Since Ma Long seems to cope very well with this, his big strokes aren't a problem. |
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TBS9x
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I don't think so. As long as you don't compare him to yourself and say that I'm better than him, he has sloppy strokes or whatever, it's fine. Book critics don't have to better than the book writers to be able to give a critique to a book or whatever...Does anyone agree on that? |
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Ma Long's greatest weapon is his bludgeoning forehand. When he wields it against other world-class players he seems to really control the points, it is fascinating to watch.(for reference see "German Open: Ma Long vs. Dimitrij Ovtcharov" on youtube) Wang Liquin has a similar forehand in terms of such a dominating stroke. Other world-class players have powerful forehands but Ma Long's and Wang Liquin's seem to be in a class of their own.
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Not to flame too hard but... This kind of goes without saying. But you said it anyway and I am not really sure why. More than half of what people talk about on forums is pure opinion or gossip or just nonsense. Since when do we have to be a top 5 player to have an opinion about a player? If we did have to be a top player to have an opinion, this is what the forum would look like: Ma Lin: Hey Ma Long: Hey WLQ: Hi WHao: what's up dudes? TBoller:my friends! how is the weather over there? XuXin: its cold |
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IMHO.The Chinese sportsmen are able to do everything, but on different speed.Ma Long today - the most mobile.
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hey guys, i have a bone to pick with NoFootWork. I have talked to you before on these forums and you seem like a good guy, but i mean hmmm, "Noone here unless they are top5 in the world should be critiquing." Plz give us a break, forums are based around the individual giving there own opinion, without that individual expression of opinion we would live in a very boring world. Plz spare us this "Noone has the right bullsh*t", we have the right, we are not 5 years old and saying 'Ma long sucks' everyone here has acknowledged that he is an amazing player, but those are the areas we feel he needs to improve (plz critique my tt game if you want, it will not do you much good considering i am terrible).
In Summation, don't ruin the tt forums just because you are a little moral bitch. P.S - Go and confront Hollywood for the critique of others, when the criticizer has no reached that standard in that area. |
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a few of you have already implied this, that ma long's strength, his power, is his strength as well as his weakness. he seems to use his powerful strokes and quick footwork to finish a point as fast as possible. when a longer rally sets in, he seems to buckle under pressure, especially on his backhand, from impatience/taking a risk or from running out of steam.
as always, the above are my personal opinion and views, stated with no intention to upset or criticize |
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