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Originally posted by IanMcg IanMcg wrote:

Originally posted by PringlesRingles PringlesRingles wrote:

Does anyone know what rubbers and blades Waldner and Persson have used lately or at this moment?
Waldner probably using a WSC, Persson using an old Clipper I believe

As for rubbers, it's been a mix of TENERGY's and Bluefires, namely T05 and JP-01 I think

Do you know which Clipper he is using? And is he no longer sponsored by Donic? 
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Originally posted by Leftyy Leftyy wrote:

Originally posted by IanMcg IanMcg wrote:

Originally posted by PringlesRingles PringlesRingles wrote:

Does anyone know what rubbers and blades Waldner and Persson have used lately or at this moment?
Waldner probably using a WSC, Persson using an old Clipper I believe

As for rubbers, it's been a mix of TENERGY's and Bluefires, namely T05 and JP-01 I think

Do you know which Clipper he is using? And is he no longer sponsored by Donic? 
Like an old vanilla Clipper (perhaps Bengtsson?). As for sponsorships, I don't know.
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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Kristian Karlson from Calibra to Tenergy on Czech Open


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Does anyone know Kristian Karlsson's blade?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote AMonteiro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/30/2015 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Does anyone know Kristian Karlsson's blade?

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ovtcharovs new blade looks like a 1ply hinoki
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Originally posted by minja minja wrote:

ovtcharovs new blade looks like a 1ply hinoki
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Originally posted by minja minja wrote:

ovtcharovs new blade looks like a 1ply hinoki

It did look different in Austria, didn't it?  I couldn't see the usual red plies, and the wood looked a bit yellow.  Couldn't get a clear view though.
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Well, some interesting skulduggery afoot with Dima's blade at the Austrian Open.


Zoom in - the quality is pretty high.  The handle has a surround to obscure the blade's plies, hence the idea that it's a one ply.  But you can see the plies above the handle, and it looks like a composite...


Edited by AndySmith - 09/10/2015 at 3:53am
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Probably covered just like Cornilleau Hinotec or many Andro/Donic blades (the fancy colored ones). Though it looks like TBS/Viscaria composition.
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Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

Probably covered just like Cornilleau Hinotec or many Andro/Donic blades (the fancy colored ones). Though it looks like TBS/Viscaria composition.

Yeah.  Still a bit curious as to why Dima would want edge banding on the handle only, but there you go.

I wonder why they don't use edge banding all the way around the blade.  Would totally scupper our ability to see when a custom handle has been used on a pro's setup. 
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Nice one Andy. To me it is certain the blade is not DONIC made. He was using a Clipper but changed to ZLC or SZLC by the looks but I can't be sure. ALC dampens too much vibration for someone coming from Clipper but I may be wrong.
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As far as I remember his blade was ALC when the handle was Waldner Senso Carbon :)
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Yes, and switching between ALC and Clipper doesn't seems a problem for top players.
For exemple, Gao Ning switches very oftenly between ZJK blue dragon on ZJK ZLC & TBS (even carbonado 190) and stiga Clipper.
Even Smirnov use to play with Clipper before switching to TBALC and others from BTY's panel.
The poly ball must make them try a lot of stuff to get the better feeling and accuracy :)
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Originally posted by kiligolo kiligolo wrote:

Yes, and switching between ALC and Clipper doesn't seems a problem for top players.
For exemple, Gao Ning switches very oftenly between ZJK blue dragon on ZJK ZLC & TBS (even carbonado 190) and stiga Clipper.
Even Smirnov use to play with Clipper before switching to TBALC and others from BTY's panel.
The poly ball must make them try a lot of stuff to get the better feeling and accuracy :)

Gao ning only switches between ZJK blue dragon, Zhang jike ALC, clipper CR and Viscaria. Carbonado wasn't his own blade. Wink
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Originally posted by proSpin proSpin wrote:

Originally posted by kiligolo kiligolo wrote:

Yes, and switching between ALC and Clipper doesn't seems a problem for top players.
For exemple, Gao Ning switches very oftenly between ZJK blue dragon on ZJK ZLC & TBS (even carbonado 190) and stiga Clipper.
Even Smirnov use to play with Clipper before switching to TBALC and others from BTY's panel.
The poly ball must make them try a lot of stuff to get the better feeling and accuracy :)

Gao ning only switches between ZJK blue dragon, Zhang jike ALC, clipper CR and Viscaria. Carbonado wasn't his own blade. Wink

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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Well, some interesting skulduggery afoot with Dima's blade at the Austrian Open.


Zoom in - the quality is pretty high.  The handle has a surround to obscure the blade's plies, hence the idea that it's a one ply.  But you can see the plies above the handle, and it looks like a composite...




maybe it's this one?

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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Well, some interesting skulduggery afoot with Dima's blade at the Austrian Open.


Zoom in - the quality is pretty high.  The handle has a surround to obscure the blade's plies, hence the idea that it's a one ply.  But you can see the plies above the handle, and it looks like a composite...




maybe it's this one?


Nah, doubt it.  The Feat doesn't have a composite layer.
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Can see a little bit of blue in a layer after zooming in.. An alc blade is my guess. And t05 both sides too.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

Probably covered just like Cornilleau Hinotec or many Andro/Donic blades (the fancy colored ones). Though it looks like TBS/Viscaria composition.

Yeah.  Still a bit curious as to why Dima would want edge banding on the handle only, but there you go.

I wonder why they don't use edge banding all the way around the blade.  Would totally scupper our ability to see when a custom handle has been used on a pro's setup. 

Just speculating, but it might be deemed technically illegal if it were considered to be "part of the blade"and may run afoul of the blade composition/consistency rules.   Edge tape already dances on that line.  When banding it is part of the handle there is no problem since the handle can be of pretty much any rigid design or material.



Edited by wturber - 09/10/2015 at 5:19pm
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:


Just speculating, but it might be deemed technically illegal if it were considered to be "part of the blade"and may run afoul of the blade composition/consistency rules.   Edge tape already dances on that line.  When banding it is part of the handle there is no problem since the handle can be of pretty much any rigid design or material.


Ah, could be.  I suppose the umps want to be able to see the plies if necessary as well.  You can always peel edge tape back if required.
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For the handle, my guess is the two pieces that were glued on were wider than the original blade's, and so he needed to fill the gap.
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Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:

For the handle, my guess is the two pieces that were glued on were wider than the original blade's, and so he needed to fill the gap.

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what racket using Oikawa Mizuki?
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

what racket using Oikawa Mizuki?


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Originally posted by Da Baobei Da Baobei wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

what racket using Oikawa Mizuki?


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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Just speculating, but it might be deemed technically illegal if it were considered to be "part of the blade"and may run afoul of the blade composition/consistency rules.   Edge tape already dances on that line.  When banding it is part of the handle there is no problem since the handle can be of pretty much any rigid design or material.



What????????
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Just speculating, but it might be deemed technically illegal if it were considered to be "part of the blade"and may run afoul of the blade composition/consistency rules.   Edge tape already dances on that line.  When banding it is part of the handle there is no problem since the handle can be of pretty much any rigid design or material.



What????????

Adham Sharara essentially said as much either here or on OOAK when discussing the legality of "additives" before the rules were made more explicit in that area.  If you look at the definition of a racket, edge tape is not a component.  

Likewise, if you look at the definition of allowed players clothing, hats are not a component.  And it is on that basis that hats are routinely disallowed in ITTF and USATT tournaments.  There is no rule against hats.  They just aren't included in the standard description of player clothing.

I've never worried much about it since the use is a long standing tradition that is routinely (even traditionally) allowed. Besides, you can remove it in a few seconds in case anybody objects.  Given that it is probably technically illegal and that pros are apparently using it to keep the edges of their highly boosted rubbers secured to their blades, I'd be only mildly shocked if it actually came up as an issue in some tournament.

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Jay, have you lost your mind?  I have never heard anyone for a second suggest that edge tape is a problem by the rules.  I can't imagine that even a bozo like Sharara would think that his words could have been interpreted in such a way as to consider edge tape an "additive". 
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