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Originally posted by LoopyLooper LoopyLooper wrote:

the stiga blade is not a carbonado

Yes it is.  The 190.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by LoopyLooper LoopyLooper wrote:

the stiga blade is not a carbonado


Yes it is.  The 190.


That's what it looks like to me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Da Baobei Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/04/2015 at 4:40pm
The Blade with the SP is Shan Xiaona's Butterfly Holycrown, next to Rossi Emotion from Solja.

The Stiga blade from Gerell indeed looks like the Carbonado 190. Freitas still with Maze it seems
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bran Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/04/2015 at 5:06pm
For what it's worth, the Joola blade has a Rossi Force handle (white lines on black handle), not the Rossi Emotion's (red lines on black).

Edited by Bran - 10/04/2015 at 6:41pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bbkon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/04/2015 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by Da Baobei Da Baobei wrote:

The Blade with the SP is Shan Xiaona's Butterfly Holycrown, next to Rossi Emotion from Solja.

The Stiga blade from Gerell indeed looks like the Carbonado 190. Freitas still with Maze it seems


I thought it was ulc tamca
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IanMcg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/04/2015 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by Da Baobei Da Baobei wrote:

The Blade with the SP is Shan Xiaona's Butterfly Holycrown, next to Rossi Emotion from Solja.

The Stiga blade from Gerell indeed looks like the Carbonado 190. Freitas still with Maze it seems


I thought it was ulc tamca
TAMCA =/= ULC.

TAMCA is Butterfly's classic carbon, AKA T5000- Gergely, Primo Carbon, Sardius etc.

ULC is Uniaxial Light Carbon, used in blades like Holy Crown, Ishlion, and Kreanga Carbon
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Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

What rubbers is Gerell using? He has a red and an orange sponge.

Gerell is using Tenergy FH and Calibra BH.
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Close up of Ovtcharov's blade from ETTC 2015 singles.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote the_theologian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/04/2015 at 11:59pm
Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:



Close up of Ovtcharov's blade from ETTC 2015 singles.

So, is this a covering up of a BTY ALC blade or something else?

Here's a pic of what an Ovtcharov Senso Carbon should look like:


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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Another for Gerell



For those who don't think this is a Carbonado 190, here's a stock pick of one from TT11 (flared handle but you get the idea)


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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Another for Gerell




For those who don't think this is a Carbonado 190, here's a stock pick of one from TT11 (flared handle but you get the idea)




AFAIK gerrel used to play with rosewood 7 so the 190 must be a fast blade
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 
AFAIK gerrel used to play with rosewood 7 so the 190 must be a fast blade

I don't know... I tried a Carbonado 145 and it felt OFF- to me.
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 
AFAIK gerrel used to play with rosewood 7 so the 190 must be a fast blade

I don't know... I tried a Carbonado 145 and it felt OFF- to me.

145 is feels much slower than 190. its the throw angle that does it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Da Baobei Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/05/2015 at 1:05am
Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:

For what it's worth, the Joola blade has a Rossi Force handle (white lines on black handle), not the Rossi Emotion's (red lines on black).


Oh yeah, you are right. Must be someone elses racket then because Solja uses the Rossi Emotion I think.

Xiaona's blade is actually an Ishlion and not a Holycrown, my bad - the handles look almost identical.
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Originally posted by oduvalo oduvalo wrote:

HI, people.
I watched his match against Gionis on  LIEBHERR 2015 ITTF European Table Tennis Championships,25 Sep 2015 - 04 Oct 2015, Ekaterinburg, RUS

And noticed that Dima flips racket

Question,
Dima changed the rubber of backhand ?



i read that back in time of speed glue, dima as trainer rossi, does not speed glued is bh rubber.
maybe he still not (heavy) boost his bh tenergy 05 too?
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Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:

For what it's worth, the Joola blade has a Rossi Force handle (white lines on black handle), not the Rossi Emotion's (red lines on black).

it is not only the handle...

peti switched from rossi emotion to rossi force.
(she confirmed yesterday on facebook)
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Originally posted by Boss1703 Boss1703 wrote:

Originally posted by oduvalo oduvalo wrote:

HI, people.
I watched his match against Gionis on  LIEBHERR 2015 ITTF European Table Tennis Championships,25 Sep 2015 - 04 Oct 2015, Ekaterinburg, RUS

And noticed that Dima flips racket

Question,
Dima changed the rubber of backhand ?



i read that back in time of speed glue, dima as trainer rossi, does not speed glued is bh rubber.
maybe he still not (heavy) boost his bh tenergy 05 too?

The answer is that ovtcharov in this particular tournament, used 2 different rubbers.On one side used tenergy and on the other side used something else which had light yellow sponge and not orange as the tenergies are.Also I noticed something else on his blade.He used a carbon arylate blade and I saw it on a game-break and the camera shown his blade from the bottom of the handle and u could easily see that he has put something like epoxy glue at the edge of the middle plies on the handle (u can also see it on previous posts that his blade seems like one ply blade) but u can clearly see the blade at the point before the rubbers.
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:



Close up of Ovtcharov's blade from ETTC 2015 singles.


So, is this a covering up of a BTY ALC blade or something else?

Here's a pic of what an Ovtcharov Senso Carbon should look like:




It's the same exact blade
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No way. It has an edge banding at a minimum
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:



Close up of Ovtcharov's blade from ETTC 2015 singles.

So, is this a covering up of a BTY ALC blade or something else?

Here's a pic of what an Ovtcharov Senso Carbon should look like:




It does seem a little bit as if the halves might have been taken from DOSC blade and then put on something else. At least that is hard to disprove by just using this picture.

I heard of a few sponsored players actually doing that. The idea is that the spectators will see the handle from their official sponsor while the blade in fact belongs to some other brand.
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changing the handle is very easy
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I also noticed he flips to red side(Tenergy) for serving and smashing. Maybe he's using Chinese rubber on forehand? LOL


Edited by vutiendat1337 - 10/09/2015 at 2:45am
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Ovtcharov has almost always played with a Butterfly Arylate-Carbon 5+2 blade (Timo Boll Spirit,...) with the handles tailored, except not too long ago when he was playing with a Clipper or similar. 

I think that his current blade is the usual Butterfly (Butterfly Arylate-Carbon 5+2 blade) but with tailored handle in a fashion so that we spend good times here talking abaout the same stuff.

Fan Zendong's case is exactly the same, but even more obvious (will post a photo later).

And what's more, you just have to see and listen. See the arc and the general behaviour of Fan's blade (in comparison to real all wood blades such as Xu Xin's) and listen to it's sound, to realise that, again,  it's a Butterfly Arylate-Carbon 5+2 blade.

And to shut some naive mouths I will just post a picture of his current blade in Asian Championships:





Edited by guillem - 10/15/2015 at 7:52pm
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What are all the marks on the rubber above the logo? Does he scrape it like Wang Hao?
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Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

What are all the marks on the rubber above the logo? Does he scrape it like Wang Hao?
I don't think that FZD would have any real reason to scrape his rubber like WH, given that FZD is not a penholder.

I'm thinking that they're just a reflection caused by the surface of the rubber, or something of that nature.
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That photo should end all speculation.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

That photo should end all speculation.

That's what i thought last time, when a clear as day side on picture showed the same thing about a year ago. 

Boy was I wrong.. 
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Could it be fake ??? Confused
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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Originally posted by Olio Olio wrote:

ML and XX do not use T05 on BH, but a special rubber made of H3 topsheet on bouncy sponge.

Outdated. They both used it for a good while. Then both switched back to Tenergy before WTTC. However while Xu Xin stayed with his Tenergy Ma Long settled back to the Hurricane for WTTC. So currently, as for the most up to date available news, Ma Long uses H3 both sides, Xu Xin is currently using tenergy. This is due to his coaches advise because of the lack of ability when playing defensively with hurricane on BH. 
Any update on ML BH rubber. His BH is getting better and better. Clap
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Originally posted by Olio Olio wrote:

ML and XX do not use T05 on BH, but a special rubber made of H3 topsheet on bouncy sponge.

Outdated. They both used it for a good while. Then both switched back to Tenergy before WTTC. However while Xu Xin stayed with his Tenergy Ma Long settled back to the Hurricane for WTTC. So currently, as for the most up to date available news, Ma Long uses H3 both sides, Xu Xin is currently using tenergy. This is due to his coaches advise because of the lack of ability when playing defensively with hurricane on BH. 
Any update on ML BH rubber. His BH is getting better and better. Clap

Pretty sure it's just a normal H3 rubber in I think 37 degree hardness? 

Here's a taobao link to something that is claimed to be his bh rubber: 

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FH: Hurricane 3 Prov

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