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Originally posted by qualizon qualizon wrote:

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Do you have picture of his blade, and thickness of his rubber, thank you very much Smile


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Does anyone know what Steffen Mengel uses?
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Mengel uses Mizutani + T05 both sides.
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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Mengel uses Mizutani + T05 both sides.


you know everything AMonteiro haha!

Do you have a source by any chance?
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Originally posted by DaNgo DaNgo wrote:

Originally posted by qualizon qualizon wrote:

Blade: Avallo AVX P700
FH: 729 802
BH/RPB: Tibhar Nimbus (Previously Tibhar Rapid X-press)

Do you have picture of his blade, and thickness of his rubber, thank you very much Smile

it was a very old set up. at least in London Olympic, he used tibhar wang zeng yi. now, he uses CL.



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Originally posted by Johnny1996 Johnny1996 wrote:

Originally posted by DaNgo DaNgo wrote:

Originally posted by qualizon qualizon wrote:

Blade: Avallo AVX P700
FH: 729 802
BH/RPB: Tibhar Nimbus (Previously Tibhar Rapid X-press)

Do you have picture of his blade, and thickness of his rubber, thank you very much Smile

it was a very old set up. at least in London Olympic, he used tibhar wang zeng yi. now, he uses CL.


i know that wang zenyi played with somethin difrent that 802 in the last worlds ,the pressing is diffrent
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Mengel uses Mizutani + T05 both sides.


you know everything AMonteiro haha!

Do you have a source by any chance?


This link shows the pictures of germans players' bats. It was from 2014 German Nationals.
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Same goes in France, most pros are playing with ST handle. Many, Many Many Timo Boll Spirit Blades in French Pro A league. 

Most pros are changing blades 3-4 times per season. They have to glue with water based glue and the water based glue make the wood, little by little, slower and softer.

Some, use to their good old blade (Good old 100gr Primorac Carbon is quite popular also), they use VOC-normal-glue on their bat, but they change their rubbers only when there is 10+ days without official matches. Many pros have raged ALOT to have slower their lovely blade with water glue.........


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They change blades so often because they re-glue all the time due to boosting.
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Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

They change blades so often because they re-glue all the time due to boosting.
 
Nah - topsheet/rubber wear is more impactful at that level than boosting.
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Originally posted by vivan4tt vivan4tt wrote:

Same goes in France, most pros are playing with ST handle. Many, Many Many Timo Boll Spirit Blades in French Pro A league. 

Most pros are changing blades 3-4 times per season. They have to glue with water based glue and the water based glue make the wood, little by little, slower and softer.

Some, use to their good old blade (Good old 100gr Primorac Carbon is quite popular also), they use VOC-normal-glue on their bat, but they change their rubbers only when there is 10+ days without official matches. Many pros have raged ALOT to have slower their lovely blade with water glue.........

Yup, Ovtcharov also said in an interview that repeated gluing with WBG softens the blade and makes it lose its crispness and makes it slower.
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The issue is that when you buy a ~400$ Super Zlc blade and you ruin your Outer limba/Koto layer by using WBG many time. 

We are not pros, i was lucky enough to make many of my 100+$ blades chosen by Xu Gang (Chinese pro player in France) : a Boll ALC, a Timo Boll Spirit and a Viscaria Light. Its not like i can get four TBS selected by a pro per seasons (or even want to pay for it)............so i just want my lovely blades to last forever and there is no way i'll use WBG on those blades.  
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Isn't that the point of sealing? To prevent splintering and avoid the WBG "damage"? :)
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Chopper88 > you can see Xu Gang playing in Fench Pro B here for example : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw6p6k_xu-gang-sebastien-jover-a-morez_sport.

Originally posted by dannyreventon dannyreventon wrote:

Isn't that the point of sealing? To prevent splintering and avoid the WBG "damage"? :)

If you seal your blade then its not an issue of course, the water will evaporate 100% and not penetrate the outer wood layer. 
But their is only a few blade sealed when they are brand new, and its not the case for Butterfly blades i own (TBS, TB-ALC and Viscaria light) and i don't plan to seal them since it can change de feeling and touch of the blade. 

i just use VOC normal glue. I have to go to traing now guys.

Keep in mind that my TBS/TBALC/VL were chosen among 20+ TBS/TBALC/VL which were not for mass market but already pre-selected for pro-teams or semi-pro teams. 

I'm looking to get a viscaria "selected" also. Have spoken with Xu Gang concerning the "cutom made" viscarias, he can get me one of those selected viscarias (and by him after) for a fair price compared to what we can find on the web (they are about 300 euros.....). But he is telling me my blades are already the top quality......but still i'm a nerd when its concerning blades lol.


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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Mengel uses Mizutani + T05 both sides.


you know everything AMonteiro haha!

Do you have a source by any chance?


This link shows the pictures of germans players' bats. It was from 2014 German Nationals.

As usual, Dimas bat is missing. Makes you wonder if his equipment is top secret.
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Originally posted by vivan4tt vivan4tt wrote:

Same goes in France, most pros are playing with ST handle. Many, Many Many Timo Boll Spirit Blades in French Pro A league. 

Most pros are changing blades 3-4 times per season. They have to glue with water based glue and the water based glue make the wood, little by little, slower and softer.

Some, use to their good old blade (Good old 100gr Primorac Carbon is quite popular also), they use VOC-normal-glue on their bat, but they change their rubbers only when there is 10+ days without official matches. Many pros have raged ALOT to have slower their lovely blade with water glue.........

can they pass the RAE test?
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Originally posted by vivan4tt vivan4tt wrote:

Chopper88 > you can see Xu Gang playing in Fench Pro B here for example : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw6p6k_xu-gang-sebastien-jover-a-morez_sport.

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Originally posted by dannyreventon dannyreventon wrote:

Isn't that the point of sealing? To prevent splintering and avoid the WBG "damage"? :)
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<span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">If you seal your blade then its not an issue of course, the water will evaporate 100% and not penetrate the outer wood layer. </span>
But their is only a few blade sealed when they are brand new, and its not the case for Butterfly blades i own (TBS, TB-ALC and Viscaria light) and i don't plan to seal them since it can change de feeling and touch of the blade. 

i just use VOC normal glue. I have to go to traing now guys.

Keep in mind that my TBS/TBALC/VL were chosen among 20+ TBS/TBALC/VL which were not for mass market but already pre-selected for pro-teams or semi-pro teams. 

I'm looking to get a viscaria "selected" also. Have spoken with Xu Gang concerning the "cutom made" viscarias, he can get me one of those selected viscarias (and by him after) for a fair price compared to what we can find on the web (they are about 300 euros.....). But he is telling me my blades are already the top quality......but still i'm a nerd when its concerning blades lol.




which brand of VOC glue do you use?
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I've always been curious, what booster do european players use? For that matter, what booster do chinese players use on their tenergy?
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I don't think that they use booster for their tenergies.I think that this is happening also in chinese players...they don't need to use booster on tenergies..they are pretty fast from their own.Another thing is that I have never seen the edges from the tenergy rubbers to be up (after boosting) like the hurricanes and the skylines of the chinese players.Wink
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Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

I don't think that they use booster for their tenergies.I think that this is happening also in chinese players...they don't need to use booster on tenergies..they are pretty fast from their own.Another thing is that I have never seen the edges from the tenergy rubbers to be up (after boosting) like the hurricanes and the skylines of the chinese players.Wink

If you've never seen what tenergy looks like when it's boosted, just take another look at the german championship photos. The only one that doesn't look like it's boosted to the limit is Boll's racket. 

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Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

I don't think that they use booster for their tenergies.I think that this is happening also in chinese players...they don't need to use booster on tenergies..they are pretty fast from their own.Another thing is that I have never seen the edges from the tenergy rubbers to be up (after boosting) like the hurricanes and the skylines of the chinese players.Wink


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Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

I don't think that they use booster for their tenergies.I think that this is happening also in chinese players...they don't need to use booster on tenergies..they are pretty fast from their own.Another thing is that I have never seen the edges from the tenergy rubbers to be up (after boosting) like the hurricanes and the skylines of the chinese players.Wink


Have seen Chuang's (CCY) racket boosted somewhere on this forum when he came to U.S. and he uses Tenergy....
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Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

I've always been curious, what booster do european players use? For that matter, what booster do chinese players use on their tenergy?

I know that the STIGA booster is pretty popular among the European players, not sure about Chinese players. However many pros also uses baby oil. 


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Originally posted by Fehrplay Fehrplay wrote:

Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

I've always been curious, what booster do european players use? For that matter, what booster do chinese players use on their tenergy?

I know that the STIGA booster is pretty popular among the European players, not sure about Chinese players. However many pros also uses baby oil. 

Pros use baby oil.... LOL LOL
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Pros use baby oil.... LOL LOL

In his defense, in that sentence, he didn't explicitly specify what they use it for Stern Smile
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which brand of VOC glue do you use?

I use normal VOC glue, still realy easy to find that in France. 
Personnally I buy this one : http://www.amazon.de/Imperial-Belagkleber-250-ml-Stück/dp/B00BK4W968

I use it just like good old speed glue, ultra fast and ultra easy glueing
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Originally posted by Argothman Argothman wrote:

I've always been curious, what booster do european players use? For that matter, what booster do chinese players use on their tenergy?

Yup, pro or semi pro players are all using booster. They use various boosters btw, i don't think this realy change something, but as example there is "Falco Long Bosster". 

Concerning the rubbers and espascially the Tenergies, the "pro" tenergy is not the same as the mass market tenergy. The "national" Tenergy have harder sponge, the harder sponge will become more soft after the usage of booster. The topsheet is more elastic also.
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Originally posted by petermoo petermoo wrote:

Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Mengel uses Mizutani + T05 both sides.


you know everything AMonteiro haha!

Do you have a source by any chance?



This link shows the pictures of germans players' bats. It was from 2014 German Nationals.

As usual, Dimas bat is missing. Makes you wonder if his equipment is top secret.


its not, its a donic blade and tenergy both sides but I guess they don't want a picture of it on their website because he is sponsored by donic but shouldn't be showing off that he is using Tenergy. That's why you don't really see close-ups of his racket during matches either.

Its kinda funny how this whole marketing thing works. When I was watching Boll vs Ovtcharov match in WC recently they zoomed in on Boll's racket almost every time he served, but when Dima served it was almost never zoomed in on his racket and shown from "eye in the sky" angle. It's like the media people are given instructions on NOT to zoom in on Dima's serves... Kinda pathetic if you ask me.

Edited by DreiZ - 10/28/2014 at 11:14pm
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by petermoo petermoo wrote:

Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Mengel uses Mizutani + T05 both sides.


you know everything AMonteiro haha!

Do you have a source by any chance?



This link shows the pictures of germans players' bats. It was from 2014 German Nationals.

As usual, Dimas bat is missing. Makes you wonder if his equipment is top secret.


its not, its a donic blade and tenergy both sides but I guess they don't want a picture of it on their website because he is sponsored by donic but shouldn't be showing off that he is using Tenergy. That's why you don't really see close-ups of his racket during matches either.

Its kinda funny how this whole marketing thing works. When I was watching Boll vs Ovtcharov match in WC recently they zoomed in on Boll's racket almost every time he served, but when Dima served it was almost never zoomed in on his racket and shown from "eye in the sky" angle. It's like the media people are given instructions on NOT to zoom in on Dima's serves... Kinda pathetic if you ask me.

whats the point of protecting dima when donic is german based,it hard to hide that you re not using donic when you play in germany
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