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    Posted: 05/16/2010 at 4:56pm
could anybody tell me if using victor rubber cement would harm any of my rubbers and or blade for gluing rubbers?


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I don't know. Elmer's is readily available... no? Super Wally world ect ect

What have you been using?

speaking of which, I need to go pick some up tonightThumbs%20Up
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im using a brand from advanced auto parts called victor.which is thin enough top be a table tennis rubber cement this stuff is amazing and sometimes acts as a speed glue. i have no idea why though i was just wondering if using rubber cement was a bad idea? 


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well then, maybe I'm headed over to an auto supply store!

rubber cement is fine to use (even though it has a tiny amount of VOCs, presumably) shrinkage ~can~, not necessarily will, occur if you don't allow it to dry "properly".
just let it dry before applying!
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whaT DOES PROPERLY MEAN >_>


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WHOLY CRAP!
this stuff is similar to speed glue =] but it only cost 6 dolars!!!!


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my rubber is doming :D


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I used elmer's rubber cement and it contains n-Heptane as a thinner, and I think n-Heptane is also a speed glue component, which is why it domes the rubber. I guess the thin rubber cement from auto parts store has more n-Heptane in it thus more like a speed glue. You wanna wait until the dome goes away before putting the rubber on and cut it...
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Originally posted by austin austin wrote:

whaT DOES PROPERLY MEAN >_>


ZingyDNA has it ~completely~ covered!

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elmer's is problematic (too thick). I prefer best test paper cement with 25% bestine (thinner loaded with heptane).

http://papercement.com/papercement.html paper cement
http://papercement.com/bestine.html thinner

75% paper cement and 25% thinner is my favorite mix but 100% paper cement is OK..

My racket was declared illegal at the nationals (enez) in las vegas using that combo even though I had applied the rubbers almost a week before. It was a voluntary testing (just to see) and my jaw hit the floor!!!

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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

elmer's is problematic (too thick). I prefer best test paper cement with 25% bestine (thinner loaded with heptane).

http://papercement.com/papercement.html paper cement
http://papercement.com/bestine.html thinner

75% paper cement and 25% thinner is my favorite mix but 100% paper cement is OK..

My racket was declared illegal at the nationals (enez) in las vegas using that combo even though I had applied the rubbers almost a week before. It was a voluntary testing (just to see) and my jaw hit the floor!!!



As far as I recall people glued rackets with Elmer's and it was tested fine 2-3 days after the gluing. So Best Test must be way more VOC-packed...
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

 
As far as I recall people glued rackets with Elmer's and it was tested fine 2-3 days after the gluing. So Best Test must be way more VOC-packed...


Best Test brand rubber cement and Elmers have the same VOC amounts.  The fact that fatt added 25% thinner to the Best Test rubber cement....pushed the VOC content way up.  

Usually I found that adding about 10% thinner was enough for a better application layer, if you needed to add any thinner.


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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

 
As far as I recall people glued rackets with Elmer's and it was tested fine 2-3 days after the gluing. So Best Test must be way more VOC-packed...


Best Test brand rubber cement and Elmers have the same VOC amounts.  The fact that fatt added 25% thinner to the Best Test rubber cement....pushed the VOC content way up.  

Usually I found that adding about 10% thinner was enough for a better application layer, if you needed to add any thinner.



I see!

What I did once was to pour one teaspoonful of ultra-fine kerosene into a regular small bottle of Elmer's. It helped with thickness but added only about 5% of mass, I think, so it must have been relatively harmless in terms of VOC content.
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i guess but i have found that victor brand rubber cement works best. you can use it without any thinner you can pick it up at any advanced auto parts shop.


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what kind of thinner do you use? paint  or lacquer thinner?
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I just use elmer's rubber cement on its own and it works just fine. You have to put a decent amount on because of its thickness which will dome the rubber. One layer on the rubber, one on the blade and you have yourself a fine setup. 
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Originally posted by vader555 vader555 wrote:

what kind of thinner do you use? paint  or lacquer thinner?

I've used lacquer thinner which worked very well... I have not tried paint thinner... Both are nasty stuff, so watch out...
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If you buy the elmers in the metal liter can it doesn't need to be thinned.  If you buy it in the small brown jar, then yeah.
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really?


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yeah, the small brown jars turn to glop before you even buy them.  the metal liter tins have much better consistency.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

If you buy the elmers in the metal liter can it doesn't need to be thinned.  If you buy it in the small brown jar, then yeah.


where do you get those? Home Depot?
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staples or office depot


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You can get it from any art supply store.  I used to use Elmer's rubber cement and didn't find it too thick at all.  It all depends on how much you apply.

Nowadays I use Bty Free Chack, though I don't feel it's really necessary as I don't compete seriously.
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Originally posted by austin austin wrote:

staples or office depot


I mean that big 1-liter metal cans. Of course I can buy Elmer's at any pharmacy or at Staples - but those are small plastic bottles...
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yeah thats what i meant you can get them there. but i still recommend the glue from advanced auto parts its 6 dollars a can has built in brush and you dont need to thin it out.


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If we use rubber cement do we need to seal our blades heavily since it is presumably a much stronger adhesive than water based glues. With water based glues hairspray protects my blades just fine.
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i dont use anything to seal it btw can you tell me how to seal my blade with hairspray i want to do it but dont know how or what to use


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You don't need to seal your blade at all with rubber cement.
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Originally posted by Ranger-man Ranger-man wrote:

If we use rubber cement do we need to seal our blades heavily since it is presumably a much stronger adhesive than water based glues. With water based glues hairspray protects my blades just fine.


Actually, water-based latex glues are STRONGER than rubber glues. They just need more time for the rubbers to get attached - under press usually. My experience with three types of rubber glues and two types of water-based tells me that WB glues are always stronger. With  Elmer's I take off rubber without any effort, very smooth and easily. With Galaxy Aqua I only do that after the blade is sealed and it requires some pulling (very careful!).
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So this means that other than the VOC issue, rubber cement is actually better gif gluing. Sticks faster, easier to take off, and no water that might harm the blade.
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