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DreiZ
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same, lessons are just to expensive and its hard to tell a difference between a coach that wants to teach you and the coach that wants to make money.
ihavent taken any lessons but i think i should... im not rated, but ive beaten players around 1300-1400... gotten some games off higher ranked players. Edited by DreiZ - 07/07/2010 at 12:38am |
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I think you need to develop a relationship with your coach, bc if you just take a few lessons and want a coach to, say, show you to do a BH loop, then yes s/he can show you how to do BH loop, but knowing how to do it, does not mean you can do it correctly. You need to practice it for hundreds of hours, if not thousands, and every now and then you still need feedback and correction from coach.
In general, if a coach see that you want to improve, and have a long term commitment. s/he will work hard to help you. I have work with several coaches, and I find all of them interested in helping me. They never want to spend too much time doing drills where they think I can do with other partner, bc they think it would be a waist of time and money... |
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keven702
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If you live in NYC its the one in flushing with the yellow sign. I don't go any more because i don't feel like spending 70$ a month just to play. I lessons are also 50-60$ an hour. I know Shao Yu is one of the coaches there and also a 2600+ player is also a coach there but still the price is ridiculous. |
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LittleFish.Net
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That's very true. I've been with my current coach for almost a year. $50/hr is quite expensive for me. However, we would start early if I show up early and she would also give me extra time for free if the next person doesn't show up.
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LittleFish.Net
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Are you talking about the one on Prince street? I don't live in NYC but visited that club with a friend quite a while ago. It is relatively small and to fit more tables, all tables except one are oriented to the width of the building. I won a couple of points because I drove my friend to the wall...he actually hit the wall the first time
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keven702
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Haha , Yea it is pretty cramp in there. I've always wanted to play some where with a lot of space to play and lob .
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gatorling
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Wow pretty crazy. I'm glad I'm able to get good coaching for cheap. I usually do group lessons (with like 1-3 other people) and it's $5 for an hours worth. Coach is really interested in seeing me and my training partner improve and we sometimes hang out with him outside of the club.
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yttrerand
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I pay 40$ a year @ my club. 2 hours a week with maybe 8-10 other peepz.
Sadly, you're only allowed to play @ trainings :s |
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keven702
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I think a year membership for the club is 780$... You can join a sports club for that money.
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quakerroatmeal
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780$ a year? That's a lot of money, what all does that get you?
I've looked and it averages around 30$-60$ an hour here for private coaching. I wish there was a specific table tennis specific club I can pay to play at where coaches there will give you advice/tips/help you out. But all I can find are recreational centers to practice at, the guys there who are better will general give me tips and what not. But recently a local college is doing a 4 day table tennis camp/clinic that I"ll be going to for 255$ and it's a 3.5 hr each day for 4 days. I'm definitely excited about that.
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when you say 20 usd, 40 usd, 60usd.. per hour, I cannot imagine how much it is.
Here, 10 USD/hour is more than avarage hour-wage. And coaching cost around 10usd/hour.
However more important than coaching is to have somebody, who will play the ball that way, you need to.
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kenneyy88
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7.25 is average minimum wage for most states in the U.S.
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kenneyy88
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Yea its similar in NYTTF for $800. But you can pay $12 for a whole day at NYTTF. Its better for me, since I don't play a lot. |
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keven702
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Wow 12$ a day?! thats pretty awesome. Mine is 8$ an hour a person so for one hour for 2 people its 16$
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DreiZ
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Edited by HyperThyroid - 09/05/2010 at 12:55am |
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flyingmachine
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$8/hr? $12/day?! no wonder table tennis level can't go up in the states. Can't imagine many young people being able to afford that on their allowances unless their parents are serious about the sport as well. At the club I play at in California, it's $20/month (Wed/Sat), and the resident coach charges $40/hr. A couple of clubs within driving distance also have group lessons for $20/hr.
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tablet92
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I pay 2 $ a month, 2 hours 5 times a week. I play with other players, sometimes with coach, coach always giving tips and saying which drills should we do, but it's only available for juniors.
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prott.co.uk
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tablet92 where do you live?
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kenneyy88
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Takes too much money to open a table tennis club, tables cost so much, hard to find the space as well, so high prices. And you are right there are hardly any young people in NYC clubs. There are mostly older adults with a few younger children of table tennis parents. And some random people like me who discover the sport.
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quakerroatmeal
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I recently went to Texas Wesleyan University's table tennis camp recently and it was amazing! Well worth every cent of my money. The atmosphere was great, the coaches were wonderful, friendly, and very helpful. If you're ever in Texas during the summer it's well worth it.
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benfb
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My experience in coaches in the Pacific Northwest (USA) fits with all lot of prices listed here. You can get coaches in the 2200-2400 range for around $40/hour and in the $2400+ range for $60 and up. My recollection is the Stellan Bengtsson, the former world champion and one of the great coaches of the world who now lives in San Diego, charges $80/hour for private lessons.
The thing to recognize about coaches is that it's not enough to have strong technical knowledge. The best coaches are gifted teachers, in the same sense you might have a wonderful teacher in school. The understand how their students feel, they can communicate knowledge, and they can make learning fun. So, for example, I call Stellan a great coach because I know what it takes to be a great teacher, even without discussing his creditentials coaching various great players (Persson, Maze, etc.).
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benfb
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I wanted to make a separate post to discuss private lessons versus taking camps. Taking private lessons is the more expensive approach for comparable quality of coaching, but let's suppose for the moment that money is not an issue. Some people argue that having weekly private lessons is the best way to go because your coaches gets to know you really well and tweak your lessons over time. However, in a camp you have a more intense immersion in learning. At a camp (at least, a small camp without too many participants) you spend a lot of time with your coaches and they'll get to know you, too.
Our club has hosted several training camps with Stellan and when I send out announcements, I like to include a quote from Sean O'Neill. Keep in mind that Sean was a top level American player who was trained in both China and Europe and is a very good coach in his own right. Here is his quote: "Stellan is by far the best coach I have ever worked with and I have worked with a number of the best Swedish and Chinese coaches of the last 30 years... I want to stress that if you are a serious player or coach you are missing an opportunity of a lifetime if you don't take advantage of this unique opportunity... I would guess the 5 days of intense training would be the equivalent of probably 8-10 months of weekly lessons."
Now much of that quote simply speaks to the coaching skills of Stellan, but it also addresses the relative value of attending a camp versus taking weekly private lessons. Personally, I think I would go for weekly lessons if my coach was at least 2500+ and a very good teacher (such as Sean himself). Otherwise, I would go for the training camp, especially with Stellan who is incredible (on a scale of 1 to 10, he rates an 11). Naw, even if I had that 2500+ weekly private coach, I'd probably do that and take the camp with Stellan.
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benfb
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Oh, and just to be fair, we do have another Stellan camp coming up (http://www.wtabletennis.org/stellanCampSummer2010/) and, with any luck, we'll have one next March, too. However, everything I said here would still be my opinion even without the Stellan camps.
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Takadigi
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I can tell your camp is not filled up yet. This is very blatant. Edited by Takadigi - 07/27/2010 at 2:34am |
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benfb
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I plead guilty, but it doesn't change anything I said. The word choice "blatant" also implies something wrong with pushing the camp, and I don't see any problem with that. Our club makes no money ($0) on the camp, so if I push the camp, it's because I think it's great.
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APW46
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I have to strongly disagree with that, I have been running training camps for 15 yrs and coaching players on a weekly basis throughout that time, and I can assure you there is a limit to what can be absorbed in 5 days, whereas the opportinity of practice/ training presents itself for six days in between weekly sessions, with the opportunity for a coach to monitor progress and adjust and mentor his protege. If he's stating that the time spent with a coach is equal over the two periods, I would agree, but to propose that the BENEFIT to a player is the same in order to sell places, is IMO missleading, and a sales pitch.
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5 days=8-10 months of weekly lessons??? Seeing how I have played for roughly 5 year, 8-10 months a year, with out any camps at all, I would be at the same level with a 25 day camp? Highly unlikely! All though I do believe a camp can be a very good thing to step up in level, I don't think it can replace weekly training and the biggest benefit would probably be a short boost in level, that might be possible to with hold with weekly practice. APW, nice to see you posting again, it's been a while since the last time I saw you here. |
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benfb
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As I stated above, our club makes no money on our camps. More particularly, Sean has no connection to our camps -- he doesn't coach at them and he has no financial connection to them. So I don't think it's fair to call it a sales pitch. It's simply his opinion. Sean himself gives weekly lessons and as the US Paralympic coach spent a lot of time looking to improve the coaching experience for the paralympic players.
The question of how much can be absorbed in a five day camp will depend upon the student. Such camps can be (if you want) a very intense experience that can lead to breakthroughs that are slower to occur in weekly training. My personal experience (speaking as the student, not the coach) is that I found I absorbed more through the camp than the weekly lessons and at a better price, too. Which is why I have no problem with that quote from Sean.
There are other factors here too. For weekly coaching, you are dependent upon whomever is local to you. Unless you are really fortunate, that local coach may not be that great. By comparison, at a camp you might be trained by a superior coach brought from far away just for the camp. And, as I mentioned, weekly lessons usually add up to quite a bit more money.
If I had a kid I was trying to train, I would do both camps and weekly lessons. Even if I thought my local (weekly) coach was great, I'd still try to get in the camps because they would expose the kid to different ideas and methods. In fact, I have a friend who does just that -- he arranged weekly training for his boys, but jumps at the camps as a way to get them an intense experience with a different coach.
If I only had to do one or the other, I would prefer the camps, but go to more than one (at least two a year). But that's based in part on money. I had unlimited money and lived in San Diego, I might well just take weekly lessons from Stellan.
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I live at Houston, TX and play at Houston Table Tennis club right on Boone St. Coach Wang's rating is +2600. A lot of people like the way she teach. She show and correct all your weakness, she teach from FH, BH, push both side, return service, foot work and more for just an hour and the cost is $35 only. She doesn't care the money, she doesn't care you will come back or not, she show and teach you everything at once. Our club are very lucky to had a coach like that. She coach a lot of kid in the club included my daughter. Anne Deng, Judy wang, Richard Deng are cardet player and they were coach from her. hopefully, you will see her soon.
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