"Best" inexpensive BH rubber.

JimT wrote: What IS your style on BH though?

 That is what I meant in my somewhat dry style of delivery, otherwise 'what is the best b/hand rubber' is meaningless to me, sorry for the miss-understanding Anton.

APW46 wrote: JimT wrote: What IS your style on BH though?  That is what I meant in my somewhat dry style of delivery, otherwise 'what is the best b/hand rubber' is meaningless to me, sorry for the miss-understanding Anton.

From my understanding, the Chinese traditionally want harder/faster rubber+sponge on FH to avoid "bottoming out" too soon when attacking, because their FH stroke is much bigger than their BH stroke... So there is actually something to "best fh or bh rubber" discussions. 

APW46 wrote: JimT wrote: What IS your style on BH though?  That is what I meant in my somewhat dry style of delivery, otherwise 'what is the best b/hand rubber' is meaningless to me, sorry for the miss-understanding Anton.

No worries. I know there are a lot of perspectives in this sport and I certainly value yours. I'm just an "instant gratification" type and instead of discussing/debating something, I just wanted names of cheap rubbers. Whether or not they'd suit my style I figured I'd sort out later.

But yes, as roundrobin's post implies, I like fairly hard and tacky "Chinese" style rubbers on my forehand. However, I prefer medium to medium-soft, non-tacky "Euro/Jap" style rubbers on my backhand.

Of course, it's all confusing because a Japanese company like Butterfly makes Spin Art, which is a tacky rubber with a harder sponge, and many Chinese companies make non-tacky rubbers with a softer sponge. 

But I think you get my idea: I want a cheap, non-tacky, medium sponge rubber on my backhand. I do a lot of pushing, blocking, and counter-hitting with my BH but I'd like to start developing more attack-oriented play with it. Therefore, I'd like an inexpensive, non-tacky, medium sponge, all around rubber that's not too slow and doesn't weigh a ton.

Heimdallalso wrote: JimT wrote: Have you tried Gambler Wraith? If you test all these rubbers and will not find your ideal, let me know. I'll send you one lightly used GW as a Christmas gift (or Thanksgiving). My friend Anton is a devout pagan. You need wait for no holiday!

I prefer "irreligious". But you outed me, Heim! People are going to start throwing the term "atheist" around and then no one will talk to me. (Apparently it's a bad word these days...)

Mmmmkay...

Back to cheap rubber talk...

Why does it have to be the backhand rubber that's the cheap one? Why not the FH one? I think for most of us, our backhands are more sensitive to the rubber we're using and need more "help" from the rubber to produce spin and speed from our strokes.

BMonkey wrote: Why does it have to be the backhand rubber that's the cheap one? Why not the FH one? I think for most of us, our backhands are more sensitive to the rubber we're using and need more "help" from the rubber to produce spin and speed from our strokes.

My current forehand rubber costs $14. I want them both to be inexpensive. As stated previously, once I found I could get a "cheap" rubber on my forehand that played as well (if not, better) than any rubber I've purchaesd, I decided I could do the same with my backhand. Hence, the search and this thread.

Sounds like you have plenty to try. One that was not mentioned specifically which I can recommend is Palio HK1997 Biotech, 36-38 degrees.Completely non tacky. Can be had on ebay for around $9. Very nice rubber on both wings, 39-41 for FH. I also use Mark V which has awesome control for short game and good enough for looping in max. The HK1997 has a bit more power for looping though but decent control for short game.

Heimdallalso wrote: Anton Chigurh wrote: I prefer "irreligious". But you outed me, Heim! People are going to start throwing the term "atheist" around and then no one will talk to me. (Apparently it's a bad word these days...) Mmmmkay... Back to cheap rubber talk... Au contraire mon frere... Science is your religion? I respect all reasonable mens "choice"... you too. (Heim runs out of room)

We will continue this via PM... or, more likely, at our other place of discussion.

Anton Chigurh wrote: To some: thanks for your suggestions thus far. Anyone have any experience with the pretuned Gambler Six Shooter? I'm worried that Outlaw might be a bit fast for me... To others: I'm not looking to extensively define and then possibly debate what I mean by BH rubber. The fact is, many, many people on this forum make distinctions between BH and FH rubbers and therefore know what I mean. If you don't then feel free not to respond... Or, just offer a suggestion for an inexpensive, non-tacky rubber. Thanks.

SSPT felt quite dead to me on my BH when i tried it. Outlaw I find isn't uncontrollably fast, but it really doesn't last me long, only about 1-1.5 months usage, so in the long run, I don't think it's any cheaper than if I were to invest in more expensive rubber than can last a few months at a time.

APW46 wrote:  Yes, but looking at the topic starter post, there is no indication that Anton is looking to emulate the Chinese?

But knowing Anton from his past history of posting you can tell he wants to emulate the Chinese.  He is after all using traditional chinese rubber on fh too.  A small bh (relative to his bh) would complement his game best to allow maximum use of his fh.  He already mentioned he is fh dominant player so its safe to assume what roundrobin said is correct.

mon22 wrote: Wow you have more luck than me in your search for suggestions for bh rubbers    why dont you try the dipper 3 or memo 2 from DHS.  Those are the two rubbers i considered before but for now i will be trying out the Sriver G3 i bought from you (it arrived today btw) Maybe you can try it then tell me how it goes   I wish i have as much luck as you Anton as i am in search for my FH rubber

I have a sheet of Memo 3 on the way. I didn't pick up the Memo 2 because I read that it's quite heavy. I heard 3 is lighter (but that could be incorrect; we'll see). Dipper 3 may be a possibility but since it's $20 instead of $14 it'll have to wait.

I will keep you updated. I hope you enjoy that Sriver G3. I liked it.

Thaidog wrote: Review it pleeeaasseee! M3 is very interesting to me!

Will do.

It may be a couple weeks though.

The Red Diamond on my BH was surprisingly awesome. I tried it today. I was worried about it being tacky but I had no problems receiving serves. Indeed, the hardness of the sponge made my service reception even better in that I didn't pop up as many balls. It's really easy to keep the ball low with it.

I'm going to reserve ultimate judgment, of course, until I've had some more time with it... and until after I've tried a few more of the rubbers I've selected. However, this shows much, much more promise than I anticipated.

And still, the Black Power is a freaking beast. I think it should be called Black Magic, in that so many of my shots look like they're going long only to arc severely downward and land on the edge of the table. My forehand is dangerous with it (if you don't mind a little self-aggrandizing ). No durability issues yet and no decrease in performance... at least, not after 15 or so hours.

I'm loving these rubbers. Together, they both cost $28.

i agree; i had 999t 2.0 *sponge???) on fh for a while and i say one can develop a strong bh loop with such a rubber --> return of serves depending on the topsheet only were just fine. I could come back to it.

Anton, how hard is BP (overall) vs the Acuda S1 you had?