Tenergy 05, lets cut the crap...

APW46 wrote: I've used sp/glue for 25 yrs, and I don't care what anyone says, this rubber is the nearest to playing with sp/glue I've used, and I've tried many rubbers. This is why and only why butterfly can put the price up, If the product was sh*t, no-one would buy it, and I cannot stand for these vouches that other rubbers from other manufacturers are as good, they are NOT, they might be for other players, but NOT for me. Tenergy is the ONLY rubber on the market at this time that I can possibly play with. I can't exept however the price rise, so I'm gonna struggle this next season, because I will not pay the inflated prices. What I really don't wish to hear is that Hexter/ Roxon etc are the same as Tenergy, THEY ARE NOT, where Tenergy gains over them is in Re-loop, tenergy is superb at this, even better than sp/glue IMO, more consistent, and a real feeling of 'borrowing the power' all other new rubbers I've used have been either too soft, or uncontrollable, in the case of Haifu whale, too erratic with an unstable raquet/ball contact.

"If the product was sh*t, no-one would buy it"...
then please explain why do people buy junk food, go to the movies to see crap quality films, consume crap quality music, etcetera.
it's all about the marketing, not the real quality...
Personally for backhand I felt tenergy 64 was crap, I really like more hexer.
For forehand I used tenergy 05 once but coming from bwII I felt I needed something more extremely aggressive and that would do whatever I want it to do.
I can't say that haifu felt erratic, I loved it for long time.... only bad thing was the weight.
I don't think there's one best rubber or one truth, everyone chooses what suits him/her best

tdragon wrote: People! Let cut the crap about T05. There is no need to argue about T05. Even I like T05, but I am sick to see all the post arguing about T05. If you like T05 and you are willing to pay for it, then just do it. Otherwise, look for other alternative. PERIOD! Let stop arguing

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Simple is wonderful
If you do not want to know what is inside do not look.
No different than a strip bar, if it offends you do not go in but do not judge if you have not gone in.
I will continue to buy Tenergy because I am worth it and I feel that it improves my game.
It is an asset.
If this is worth 3 points in a game then to me it is worth every penny.

To all,

Baal wrote: roundrobbin,You are correct, the 2600 level chinese provincial team player I play with about twice a week (and who I sponsored for a green card) can play about any style at a surprisingly high level, shakehand penhold, pips, Tenergy, even long pips.  I am amazed by it.  But she is not 2600 with all of those blades and grips.  Put her in a tournament with Tenergy against other good players and she will be unhappy.  And that is the point.  What is someone comfortable with?   The 2550 Yugoslavian player I sometimes get to play with can crush me with a sheet of Hurricane on his forehand.  Put him in a tournament where he is playing for money and he will not be happy.  He likes Tenergy 64 and was pretty frustrated after the glue ban until he started using it.  He's not going to be happy paying 75 bucks for a sheet of it.

how do you sponsor a table tennis player? do you own a table tennis club?

ppeperlocker, About five of us who are directors of a club helped this player get an O-1 visa, which is great because it opens a pretty reliable route to a green card, which she has now applied for.  But it is a lot of work to provide the necessary documentation.  In this case, "sponsor" basically means paid the lawyer and solicited all of the letters and compiled vast amounts of other documentation that we needed and put together a pretty large package needed to convince immigration agency.  Sponsor is perhaps not the right word (it's not like the procedure you use to get permanent residency for a member of your immediate family) but anyway, that's what we did.

roundrobbin says the good Chinese pro players at his could play with tenergy.  Of course they could.  They're really good players.   They don't want to.  As he said.  Because they don't like it.  I think he is correct that these players get a bouncier and spinnier rip with their H3.  He should also ask them what they used five years ago. Of eight years ago, when they first got on their provincial teams.  I am betting all of them used harder and tackier Chinese rubbers through their formative years and glued them like crazy up until two years ago.  I bet none of them were gluing Sriver or Bryce.  During this time they developed their strokes, with straighter arms, more open racket faces, etc.  It is the reason why they are able to do use that stuff now.  I once gave a former Chinese provinical player who is a student at my university one of my blades with Tenergy on it to hit with.  He had never tried it.  His first few shots practically hit the wall.  Needless to say, he didn't like it, couldn't understand how anyone could play with it.  

Of course, this does not apply to all Chinese.  Current world number 1 in women uses T64 she gets hers for free.

In any case, roundrobbin's argument--I think--is that because good Chinese players at LATTC can use H3 this means everyone else should be able to just switch to hard tacky chinese rubbers and play even better than we do with T05.  This is not a good argument.  It would require complete reforming of strokes. Mavbe it's possible, but it's not going to be something many people have the patience to do.    

Wow, another tread on Tenergy Guess BTY don't need to pay the marketing department as much, since we are doing the marketing for them

With that said, I believe the hype with Tenergy begun purely because it was a BTY product. If Tenergy was labelled 729 Topspin instead, there wouldn't be any hype around it and very few players here would use it. However, with Tenergy, BTY actually manage to create a product that serves certain styles very well and to my knowledge, there isn't any other rubber out there that plays like Tenergy. I haven't tried them all, but I have tried Hexer and Barracuda amongst the latest rubbers and a couple of other Tensors before that. None of them come even close to Tenergy. Tenergy truly is of a different mold and although it might not be the best rubber for every one, there isn't any cheaper options for those who likes the way Tenergy plays. Even though I'm pretty low level, I feel that Tenergy brings out the best of my game and it actually forces me to play active, unlike Tensors where I could play more passive and still get rewarded with a good shot.

Baal wrote: ppeperlocker, About five of us who are directors of a club helped this player get an O-1 visa, which is great because it opens a pretty reliable route to a green card, which she has now applied for.  But it is a lot of work to provide the necessary documentation.  In this case, "sponsor" basically means paid the lawyer and solicited all of the letters and compiled vast amounts of other documentation that we needed and put together a pretty large package needed to convince immigration agency.  Sponsor is perhaps not the right word (it's not like the procedure you use to get permanent residency for a member of your immediate family) but anyway, that's what we did. roundrobbin says the good Chinese pro players at his could play with tenergy.  Of course they could.  They're really good players.   They don't want to.  As he said.  Because they don't like it.  I think he is correct that these players get a bouncier and spinnier rip with their H3.  He should also ask them what they used five years ago. Of eight years ago, when they first got on their provincial teams.  I am betting all of them used harder and tackier Chinese rubbers through their formative years and glued them like crazy up until two years ago.  I bet none of them were gluing Sriver or Bryce.  During this time they developed their strokes, with straighter arms, more open racket faces, etc.  It is the reason why they are able to do use that stuff now.  I once gave a former Chinese provinical player who is a student at my university one of my blades with Tenergy on it to hit with.  He had never tried it.  His first few shots practically hit the wall.  Needless to say, he didn't like it, couldn't understand how anyone could play with it.   Of course, this does not apply to all Chinese.  Current world number 1 in women uses T64 she gets hers for free. In any case, roundrobbin's argument--I think--is that because good Chinese players at LATTC can use H3 this means everyone else should be able to just switch to hard tacky chinese rubbers and play even better than we do with T05.  This is not a good argument.  It would require complete reforming of strokes. Mavbe it's possible, but it's not going to be something many people have the patience to do.

Edited by roundrobin - 08/15/2010 at 5:47pm

Baal wrote: William, sorry, no misrepect intended, just typing fast, hadn't even noticed that I had misspelled.  A

No problem Baal, mistakes do happen... I know you are a real gentleman.  Cherry Zhao told me so. 

tenergy is first choice of the ambitious beginners. good players will do well with many other rubbers.

Baal wrote: ... Fortunately, people who are still upset about the introduction of sponge into table tennis have passed away or don't use the internet.  Or we would still be hearing about it.