Tenergy 05 Proffesional Version

LOOPMEISTER wrote: Timo says he uses a 94g ALC and he picks the heaviest Tenergy out of the batch, because they have the most density and hence most power. And I'm sure he replaces his rubber every day or two. So I, for the most part, believe him. ALC is a fast blade but mine is 86g. Timo's 94g ALC is going to be much faster. Heavy Tenergy on both sides of a heavy blade is probably 75% faster than my 86g ALC (when I use it) with a med or light (not center cut ) Tenergy 05 on one side. Plus the "tuned" feeling you get from a brand new sheet of Tenergy is another factor. Add that all together and I personally don't think that Timo needs to tune his rubbers. (Not to mention that he can generate plenty of power by his technique alone.) 94g ALC with new, (center cut) heavy Tenergy's on both sides is a ROCKET! Its boosted enough. But he obviously gets over-powered by the likes of Xu Xin and ZJK in counter looping rallies away from the table, so maybe he needs to boost more or start boosting! I haven't use Tenergy on both sides in a while but I just put T05FX on the bh of my 88g MJ with my regular T05 on the FH and it was incredible! The FH power and spin increased by 50% just by replacing my usual Sriver FX with T05 FX on the bh side. That's why I can believe Timo doesn't have to boost. but Im not a pro, so I'm probably wrong about the boosting thing. Most of the top players I know boost with Tibhar Clean tune, and I know the Chinese are boosting their tacky rubbers. So I should believe the BTY pros are doing it.

There is no professional version. Some sheets may well be pre-tuned, but swallow the myth guys. I was once in the same room as the world no3, who sorted through about 35 sheets of rubbers before he picked one out to play with, but they were not made specially, he just picked the best, just like picking the most round ball.

Edited by APW46 - 08/31/2010 at 3:53pm

Topspinify wrote: Exactly, how do you know this? Thank you.

 Coz I know, but you can choose to believe what you wish.

Are you saying he plays the exact same quality rubber like you?

Thaidog wrote: I thought Oh and Joo both played T64?

Oh uses 05, Joo is 05 and 64 and Ryu seung min is 05 eventhough Ryu is contracted with xiom.

liXiao wrote: I'd love to get those Mizutani/Fukuhara tenergys. What is surprising is that its 130 for four new tenergys. Wouldn't that normally be more like 240$? Along with the signatures they'd be worth a fortune, no?

go for it! If you find it cheap then there is no reason not to try! It's a wonder how prott.cc had gotten all the rubber!

roundrobin wrote: APW46 wrote: Its a very difficult thing to prove, the manufacturers will deny it, because they sell their products on the face of their top end sponsored players. What has always been a fact is that Chinese rubbers have been of varying standards, 'RITC' or Regional Institute of Tiajin China, was in the early days proof that a rubber when stamped with those initials had been made for the Chinese national team, and as such was a superior rubber, but very quickly the other provincial manufacturers latched on to this, and just stamped 'RITC' on anyway. There is no such thing in Europe, Sweden and Japan, ALL rubbers are of a benchmark standard, though the quality varies within thgose benchmark standards, ie, not much, any meaningful variations will fall foul of the benchmark practices they are undoubtedly signed up to, In Europe ISO 9002, which stands for International standards Organisation.   Rules are different for imported products, but believe me, Manufactured products originating in Europe MUST comply to their promise of quality.   What do you guys think happens in the Tenergy factory? there is one plant producing low quality Tenergy for the masses, then a superb, 'state of the art' secret plant producing extra special 'pro' Tenergy? you need to learn about the 'economies of scale' if you believe that; http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/economies-of-scale.html   They may well be tuning rubbers in the factory for their sponsored players, but please please lets get away from this 'specially produced rubber' scenario, its just a myth. (apart from China)   While I also don't believe Butterfly has two different production line of Tenergys, it is true that some rubbers do turn out better made than others, even from the same batch.  It's the same reason Nittaku selects the best of their 3-star balls as "premium" from the production line and sell the rejects at a lower price.  Tenergys, on the other hand, are so succefully marketed by Butterfly they do not need to sell their seconds at a lower price, or even have to mark them as such... It's entirely possible that many of us are getting "seconds" or even "rejects" from the Tenergy production line.  A 2~3% reject rate in production is very reasonable, and 15~20% of each production run can yield products that clearly exceed all expected standards, e.g. "the cream of the crop".

how do they tell what sheet should be"second"

roundrobin wrote: how do they tell what sheet should be"second"   It could be improper hardness, improper bounce, improper elasticity, etc.  I have been in the garment manufacturing/decorating industry for over twenty years, including high-volume computerized embroidery for several well-known brands... No matter how advanced your equipment is and how capable your operators are, factory "seconds" or "thirds" are a given.   I can easily imagine the set of strict standards each sheet of Tenergy must pass through Butterfly's inspection post-production... The question is what Butterfly does with sheets that barely passed or failed inspection.  In our own production of private label uniforms and designer dresses, the standards are usually set by our own customers.  The rejection rate could be as low as 1~2% or as high as 50%.

 yes, well reasoned IMO.

Stavros wrote: I've heard from a well informed friend of mine that Butterfly increased the prices of its products because of Tenergy. Butterfly has raised the quality control process of Tenergy, throwing away many rubbers that do not meet the quality standards.

Edited by roundrobin - 09/01/2010 at 5:00am

LOOPMEISTER wrote: I haven't use Tenergy on both sides in a while but I just put T05FX on the bh of my 88g MJ with my regular T05 on the FH and it was incredible! The FH power and spin increased by 50% just by replacing my usual Sriver FX with T05 FX on the bh side. That's why I can believe Timo doesn't have to boost. but Im not a pro, so I'm probably wrong about the boosting thing. Most of the top players I know boost with Tibhar Clean tune, and I know the Chinese are boosting their tacky rubbers. So I should believe the BTY pros are doing it.

nicefrog wrote: LOOPMEISTER wrote: The FH power and spin increased by 50% just by replacing my usual Sriver FX with T05 FX on the bh side. Come on man :P 50%? over Sriver? :) The difference in revs on a ball between rubbers wouldn't be more than 15% no matter what rubber your using and I bet most of them are within %5 of each other. I have to ask my hitting partner to study the balls he's receiving carefully and he still needs to take into account the average of 10 balls to be sure which rubber is making more spin and it's only ever a very small amount of difference. Nothing dramatic but just enough to be able to perceive the difference. I wouldn't be suprised if the revs at it's destination on Sriver EL for example could be even higher than Tenergy, it just wont look like it is because it doesn't have such a dramatic arc

I'm not even talking about the speed and spin of Sriver FX vs Tenergy 05 FX on the BH side... I'm saying the same FH rubber--Tenergy 05-- got much faster and with more spin and sound when I replaced the rubber on the other side. Tenergy's wiggly sponge will make the whole setup faster compared to the Sriver sponge which almost dampens the speed of the setup unless its right after I "glued" the Sriver on. Heavier weighted rubbers can have a similar effect, but for sure, the newer "wiggly" sponges can give your whole setup more power and spin, especially when your using them on both sides!

Put an old style rubber on the backhand of your blade. Put Tenergy on the front. Bounce the ball on the fh side, hit with it, etc. Then keep Tenergy on the front, and put another Tenergy on the bh side. Bounce the ball again on the fh side, hit with it, etc, and you will find a huge difference in performance on the fh side. Some of the other new rubbers like Xiom Vega and Palio Blitz will have a similar (but diminished) affect.

LOOPMEISTER wrote: nicefrog wrote: LOOPMEISTER wrote: The FH power and spin increased by 50% just by replacing my usual Sriver FX with T05 FX on the bh side. Come on man :P 50%? over Sriver? :) The difference in revs on a ball between rubbers wouldn't be more than 15% no matter what rubber your using and I bet most of them are within %5 of each other. I have to ask my hitting partner to study the balls he's receiving carefully and he still needs to take into account the average of 10 balls to be sure which rubber is making more spin and it's only ever a very small amount of difference. Nothing dramatic but just enough to be able to perceive the difference. I wouldn't be suprised if the revs at it's destination on Sriver EL for example could be even higher than Tenergy, it just wont look like it is because it doesn't have such a dramatic arc I'm not even talking about the speed and spin of Sriver FX vs Tenergy 05 FX on the BH side... I'm saying the same FH rubber--Tenergy 05-- got much faster and with more spin and sound when I replaced the rubber on the other side. Tenergy's wiggly sponge will make the whole setup faster compared to the Sriver sponge which almost dampens the speed of the setup unless its right after I "glued" the Sriver on. Heavier weighted rubbers can have a similar effect, but for sure, the newer "wiggly" sponges can give your whole setup more power and spin, especially when your using them on both sides! Put an old style rubber on the backhand of your blade. Put Tenergy on the front. Bounce the ball on the fh side, hit with it, etc. Then keep Tenergy on the front, and put another Tenergy on the bh side. Bounce the ball again on the fh side, hit with it, etc, and you will find a huge difference in performance on the fh side. Some of the other new rubbers like Xiom Vega and Palio Blitz will have a similar (but diminished) affect.

Agree with Loopmeister. The b/h rubber affects the f/h rubber's performance dramatically. I usually choose a very good b/h rubber at first and then buy that rubber for f/h. The balance of the blade is much better having same f/h and b/h rubber.

bbkon wrote: roundrobin wrote: how do they tell what sheet should be"second"   It could be improper hardness, improper bounce, improper elasticity, etc.  I have been in the garment manufacturing/decorating industry for over twenty years, including high-volume computerized embroidery for several well-known brands... No matter how advanced your equipment is and how capable your operators are, factory "seconds" or "thirds" are a given.   I can easily imagine the set of strict standards each sheet of Tenergy must pass through Butterfly's inspection post-production... The question is what Butterfly does with sheets that barely passed or failed inspection.  In our own production of private label uniforms and designer dresses, the standards are usually set by our own customers.  The rejection rate could be as low as 1~2% or as high as 50%.     roundrobin regarding quality control,do you think that overpriced butterfly shirts(80$+) are really made in japan while the cheaper shirts are made in other places? i dont think they have a production line only for supplying internal market that would be very expensive..sorry guys for hijacking the thread just wanted to ask roundrobon about the garments industry

From my personal understanding of the premium wear market, yes, definitely some expensive Butterfly shirts could be made in Japan.  The higher the price, the smaller quantity it is usually produced, in which case it could easily be contracted out to small local mom-and-pop shops that specialize in such premium wear.

Baal wrote: My own suspicion having seen his shirts is that he actually knows somebody at a factory where they are produced and is getting them that way.  They really are indistinguishable from the expensive ones.

pro version smo version good one lol,