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gatorling
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Just put my new Thor's from TT armory onto my blade last week and put about 10 hours of play/training on it so far.
Have been using Thors for almost a year now and I can tell the difference between the two sheets (assuming that my old sheet wasn't performing poorly because of its age..I waited about 4 months until I changed it out (around 160 hours)). I seem to dump a lot less balls into the net, no noticeable change in serves, either I've gotten better or counter looping seems easier. Also as a word of caution - Don't tune your Thors. I tuned my old sheets to try to get an extra month or two out of them and after tuning them twice they became incredibly incredibly inconsistent. In contrast when I put the new Thors on, I felt a lot more confident in my shots and my ability to control the ball was back. |
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the_theologian
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back around January I bought 2 sheets (1 red, 1 black) from ttnpp and put them both on a burn off-. this was the first time I played with thor's. i was very surprised how soft it felt and how awesome the dwell time was. a few months later i bought a sheet in black for my expert. it definitely feels harder and thicker it plays well but i wanted it the original way
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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GeneralSpecific
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It might be because of the different blade. The only way to get a true comparison is by testing on the same blade. |
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haggisv
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AFAIK the main change in the new sheets is that they've made the topsheet slightly thicker, but no changes in the top-sheet or sponge hardness.
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gatorling
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The difference between the old and new Thors is pretty small I think. I didn't do a direct comparison by examining the sheets but I have been playing with Thors since about April 2011 (so it's been over a year).
I've noticed that it's ever so slightly to loop with the new Thors. They feel a little more playable and I swear that my flat hit has improved. All in all they feel very slightly more European. This effect is not obvious at first and the first time I played with the new Thors I felt that maybe I did not get the new formulation. After about a week I notice that my shots were a bit more consistent. It is still a technically challenging rubber to use but the pay off is good. Even after a year I still have problems looping VERY heavy underspin balls. Medium to light underspin balls I can absolutely kill (the throw on this thing is amazing, I'll do a 45 degree loop and the ball clears the net by maybe 1/2 an inch with lots of speed and spin). On the BH though I would not recommend the Thor - at least for me I am unable to consistently generate a massive BH loop (my BH motion is much tighter and is more of a punch block BH, flip BH or top spin BH). With this I feel uncomfortable looping long chops to my BH and instead go for a push. For this reason I ordered 42deg Blitz and I hope that will make my BH a bit more deadly. Currently all my opponents do is chop to my backhand knowing that I am very likely to just push it back. |
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Forehand: Hurricane 3 Provincial #20 sponge
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the_theologian
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you're right but the baked outer mahogany veneer on the burn off- shouldn't be drastically far from the black limba on the expert.... then again the Expert stands alone in feel so I don't know
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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slevin
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Could you explain your reasoning a bit more here - isn't Blitz less spinny than Thors? How would it be easier to generate a massive BH loop with it than with Thors?
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debraj
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How spinny is not same as how easy to generate spin !! :-)
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gatorling
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Since Thors are tacky they are a bit more reactive to spin. Unfortunately I have a minor ankle injury so I've only been able to put around 2 hours of play on the Blitz (about a total of 2 matches).
Blitz is definitely not a tacky rubber, if anything it's grippy. As far as I can tell, this is why I am having an easier time with Blitz on BH. When a backspin ball hits my rubber it wants to ride down the rubber and off my blade before I can lift the ball with a brush stroke. With Blitz this effect is a bit less and since it is also softer I can push the ball into the rubber and lift it. With Thor, on my backhand, my stroke is not good enough to generate enough blade speed to match or exceed the spin on the ball..so the ball doesn't get lifted enough. That's my best explanation. The Blitz definitely generates less spin but it gives me more variety on my backhand. Push is less deadly, backhand loop is less spinny but I am able to flip more short pushes, loop more long pushes and the ability to punch down loops is about the same as Thors. Maybe better because it seems like the Blitz picks up speed with medium low to medium high effort and then bottoms out shortly after. Thors tend to be very dead at low to medium low effort, moderate at medium to medium high effort and very fast at high to maximum effort. In the end Thors feel like they have a higher range of gears but it takes a lot of effort to put them into super fast mode. Blitz feel like it has a lower range of gears (around the same low gear as Thor) but requires much less effort to reach its maximum potential. This is exactly what I am looking for in a BH rubber. I am not able to generate as much power on my BH so I do not want a rubber that requires a large powerful stroke that requires me to twist my body. I want a rubber where I can generate good speed with nothing more than my arm using a punch motion or simply rotating my forearm (like a clock) with some raising of my shoulder. On my forehand however I love generating power using my legs, hips, torso and arm and so that's why I love Thor's for FH. It rewards me for a good stroke while allowing me to play a very soft control game when my opponents start dropping the ball short (I can keep the ball low, have a very heavy low push etc...). Blitz + Thor looks to be my new combo now. P.S - If you've played Thor FH/Thor BH then you will have little to no problems going to Thor FH/Blitz BH. They play very similarly, you'll notice a little extra kick and you'll notice loops and flips getting easier but you may pop the ball up for the first few sessions. |
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gatorling
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Thors definitely take some time getting used to. Took me 2 weeks to regain some confidence in my shots. After 1 month I was convinced that this was the rubber for me. 1 year later the only rubber I'm considering trying out is the new Ximo Vega China in hopes that it is an upgraded version of Thor and consider trying H3 Neo with some tuning (for a cheaper alternative). |
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Forehand: Hurricane 3 Provincial #20 sponge
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eonblue
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I used Thors on FH and Blitz on BH for well over a year. 3-4 months ago, I switched to Vega Europe on BH and immediately fell in love with it. To each his own. I hope that Xiom Vega China has the same affect. |
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the_theologian
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gatorling,
your explanation above regarding preferring blitz over thor's on the backhand makes a lot of sense to me... i might order a sheet of blitz to try!
thanks for taking the time to write that
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gatorling
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Glad I could help.
My philosophy is that my BH is there to keep me in the rally and to place the ball in a way that it forces the opponent to return a weaker return. When I get that weaker return I pivot and use my FH to solidify my advantage. I don't expect my BH to win me points and in my experience my BH is much better suited at controlling the game rather than making points. Sure I can punch the BH with some good speed but it's still 65%-80% of what my FH can do. My BH however does have more control than my FH. it's easier to place shots, it's easier to block, it's easier to push. My FH can do these things but not as well as my backhand. |
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Forehand: Hurricane 3 Provincial #20 sponge
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Blade
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I used to use the same set up, thors FH / Blitz BH and Gatrolings analysis sounds similar to my experience. I have stayed with Blitz as my preferred backhand rubber and for me I don't have any lack of power for loop kills on or off the table. It is one of the best rubbers I have used for flip and flip kills and it is quite linear for me on my backhand. Blitz, on fore hand is great for opening loops and steady looping but is unpredictable in it's throw level for smashes. As a backhand rubber is has all the gears I need my game (classic offensive Late 80's style). Thors is a great rubber for players who have a lot of practice time But I don't so I have opted for Renaos Hold at this time. I was using Hexer Hd and may retrun to it, but renanos give me really good spin decent power and its is so linear!
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sherond33
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Hello everyone, I was advised to use this rubber on a butterfly defense 2 blade with DTec s on BH. can anyone help me. I am an overdrive player (drive too much) and I love H3 Neo
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haggisv
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You won't require much adjustment in strokes from H3 Neo. Defence 2 is quite a nice blade, too bad it's being discontinued.
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sherond33
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Haggisv,I see your FH rubber is Thors perhaps you could share your experience using it, thanks
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haggisv
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I haven't used it for a while (must update my signature), but I'm sure I've shared my thoughts already, probably somewhere in this huge thread.
I must get back to it one day, especially to see if i like the new version any better.
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neutronbomb
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Just feels like a normal chinese rubber to me. Great when your active in every shot, but when you really need it for a block, it will let you down.
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decoi
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didnt really like it felt a bit thin even though it was max...
TG3 BS =vega china > Thors IMO
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Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
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dabookerman
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I'd have to disagree with this assessment. I find that my block has improved dramatically since I have switched to Thors.
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128YinYang
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So, what are you using these days, haggis? Is it still 999 Turbo? |
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haggisv
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Yes JUIC 999 turbo,.
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128YinYang
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Man, I've always wanted to try a sheet, but I'm afraid Max may be too fast and 2.0 too slow...I prefer the feel of 2.0, but the spin/speed of max... |
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Selling Everything! No set-up at this time.
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Ray
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Anyone tried Thor's with the plastic ball?
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danjacob02
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bump for this question. I'm curious as well.
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Tinykin
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Jeez, time seems be getting faster these days.
Is it really 2012/2013 that we discussed this rubber? Four whole years ago? |
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Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
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GeneralSpecific
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A friend of mine plays a mostly driving style game with it quite well. He will open loop against long heavy backspin but drive pretty much everything else. |
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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danjacob02
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bump for this question again. :)
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Ndragon88
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Welcome back good old forum and thread! I'm back 4 knee surgeries later and looking to take TT serious again and guess what I've been using....THORS. Still performs beautifully FH and BH on a Samsanov Alpha and a Donic Waldner Senso Carbon, I only had 1 new sheet of Thors to put on my Stiga clipper but I can tell you now it feels amazing both sides again. Where is Nicefrog? Is anyone else still using this Rubber?
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