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Xiom Zetro Quad Blade Review |
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t64t64t64
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FL handle of XZQ is very comfy.
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Snakefish
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Glad you like the Zetro Quad. I haven't held onto the FL handle of Tibhar SPW, but I have for Samsonov Alpha, Samsonov Stratus, and Samsonov Force Pro. I would think all these FL handles are similar. With that in mind, the ZQ FL handle is a touch flatter than these FL handles. |
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Cochese
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I have had the Zetro for a few weeks now and I am very pleased with it. I am newer to the game, so I only have a Tibhar SPW to compare it to, but I feel the Zetro is an improvement.
I was able to get a 84g ST handle version from TT11. I am using Baracuda max on my FH and Vega Euro 1.8 on the BH. I was afraid the Zetro would be too fast compared to the all wood SPW, but it is quite manageable. In fact, I don't feel like it is any faster at all. The Zetro is 8g lighter than the SPW which may account for it not "feeling" faster though. The lighter blade also makes me feel like I can recover faster and get to shots I might not have been able to before. The other thing I love about this blade is something others have mentioned before. It really does feel like two blades in one. The soft outer ply makes touch shots easy, but the carbon layers really shine when you are looping and hitting harder. This is probably my favorite thing about the blade. My only issue with the blade is the ST handle. It is not a complaint as there is nothing wrong with the handle. This is just my first experience with a ST handle and I think the FL handle on my SPW is so comfortable to me that I will stick with FL in the future. Which brings me to a question. I know I had posted something about the head size of this blade compared to my SPW to see if the rubber would fit and someone chimed in right away. Can anyone compare the FL handle on the XZQ to the FL of the Tibhar SPW? Is it work swapping my ST for a FL? I am getting used to the ST but wish it was as comfortable as my SPW |
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PierreAd
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Well well ! It was a long day, but here I am ! So I've played the whole morning against players from a reasonnably close level. I'll often compare this blade to my HRT Clipper, since it's the only other 7 plys blade I own. I'm a two-winged looper quite close from the table (but mostly relying on placement than pure power), even though my backhand is certainly more versatile (blocks, flat-hit from time to time).
My XZQ weights 89g, and was used with a Xiom Vega Pro 1.8mm on the FH, and Yinhe Moon H35 2.1 (not sure : it's supposed to be max, but not that thick) in the BH. It is a well-balanced blade : the set weights almost the same as my other ones, but seems to be lighter (especially compared to my HRT Clipper that feels really head-heavy). I don't notice this most of the time and feel like all my blades are balanced the same, so I find it worth mentioning. Speed-wise, this XZQ is clearly above the blades I've played with these last months / years (Waldner Senso v2, Waldner Diablo Senso, Stiga OC, HRT Clipper...). OFF blade, no doubt about that. Still, it manages to keep a really good control most of the time. Throw angle seems medium-high, close from my two Waldner Senso, and clearly higher than HRT Clipper's, my only other 7 plys blade (and therefore, much easier than this one for looping). However, it's still really nice for flat-hitting and blocks, cause it is pretty stiff. I've read some reviews highlighting the high spin that you can impart with this blade, it's true in a certain measure : for a 7-plys blade, it allows to impart a good amount of spin indeed, but it is still behind my Waldner Diablo Senso for example (5 plys, including 2 glass fiber ones). In playing situation : I've felt really at ease for forehand looping. Really, I've had a lot of fun, especially considering that it was my first time with this blade. This is clearly where the XZQ shines, IMHO. I don't think the OFF speed made me do much errors, it's actually really easy to "control-loop" and brush the ball (I don't know if it's the hinoki or zylon layer, but you can really grip the ball on slow topspins), which is the fundation of my game. A bit further from the table, the power and throw angle make the XZQ much easier to handle than the HRT Clipper (really needed to impart a looot of power in the stroke to disturb the opponent). I still need to work on the short-game, made some direct errors cause the blade sometimes really "absorbs" the ball, and I had some balls dying in the net when attempting to make some drop returns. Actually, the only real downside so far is the backhand, I often missed the ball when trying to loop (I think that's due to the blade balance). I spent most of the morning pushing and blocking, which is not necessarily my usual game, but hey, better than nothing ;) In a nutshell, I really like this first session, and the fun I had for FH looping makes me want to stick with this blade, maybe as soon as this month (I was initially testing it to find a stiffer and more powerful blade for the 40+ balls). I'll just need to improve the backhand loop, and make sure I can handle this amount of speed (so that I don't end up holding my strokes back to avoid errors). Edited by PierreAd - 01/03/2015 at 4:07pm |
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Magic_M
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Here you can find both (Zetro Quad and Vega Pro):
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Snakefish
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Can't wait to hear
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Andro Treiber Z - fl
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PierreAd
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Well, I just received it this morning. Glued a Vega Pro and Yinhe Moon, ready for tomorrow's training :) |
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PierreAd
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Hey guys, I was wondering about the XZQ throw angle, what's it like ? Mine is on its way, I'm quite impatient... Almost everybody says this blade shines for topspins, so I was wondering if it has a high throw angle, maybe close from topspin-oriented 5-plys ?
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bbkon
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the question was about zetroquad but would be the rosewood7 better for pips than ZQ?
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Stavros
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Rosewood 7 is definitely very good for short pips and it plays similar to old(80s-90s) Clipper.
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bbkon
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so you would say it can be good for short pips and it plays like an old clipper?
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Stavros
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Good on flat shots , good enough on blocks. Zetro is unique. It's something between old Butterfly T5000 blades (hinoki top ply ) and Zylon composites. I don't like the new Clipper, I prefer the Infinity VPS.
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Soundoff88
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How is the Zetro compared to the ZXI? TIA.
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bbkon
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how does it feel when you hit flat or drive flat? can you compare to clipper or other fast composite blades you have tried?
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Stavros
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I played it. Very good looping blade. Little bouncy to short game and the straight handle it's not so good as Stiga's but generally speaking , Zetro is very good and much cheaper than Butterfly's alternatives.
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Cochese
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Blade left Estonia yesterday, so a should be in the states by next week, but who knows how long customs will take this time of the year. Really curious to see how the blade compares to my SPW.
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Tibhar SPW
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PierreAd
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Looking forward to reading your review(s) ;) |
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Cochese
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I just ordered this blade from TT11. It will be my first composite blade. Curious to see how it compares to my Tibhar SPW. Have a few different types of rubber to try on it too, including H3 Neo, TG2 Neo, Baracuda and Vega Euro. Pretty sure the Vega Euro is going to be a winner on the BH. Thinking the softer Baracuda might be a good match for the FH. Looping paradise maybe....
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Tibhar SPW
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bbkon
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Im thinkin about replacing my clipper for a xiom blade for short pips cpen, what would be better than clipper but a bit more solid? ZX,ZXi OR ZQ ?
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PierreAd
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Hey guys ! I'm currently testing some blades for next season and the new poly ball. I've been playing with Diablo Senso for about a year, testing the HRT Clipper as well, and, in a nutshell, quite liking both. The Clipper feels more solid, especially on my backhand where I flat hit a bit more, whereas the Diablo feels better on my forehand where I mostly play topspin.
I was wondering how you'd compare the XZQ to famous limba-outer-ply blades, such as Clippers and this kind of blades (or even to the Donic Diablo Senso, in case you know both blades) ? I still struggle to understand many of its characteristics, I sometimes read it's bouncy, then read it's really soft and catches the ball... well, if any of you guys can explain, your help would be very welcome ;) |
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srale7
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To begining I will put my current combination, Xiom Omega 4 Euro on FH and Vega Euro on BH , so I'll see how it will play. |
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Xiom Zetro Quad ST 90g
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drclaude1
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Again as before the 86 has better crispy feel than my 92. Don't get me wrong I still enjoy playing with the 92. It's just a matter of getting used to each one, with take me about 10 min.
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Snakefish
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Yes it does It's the inner layers giving you this crispy-feeling At the same time, the hinoki outer-layer has a mild dampening effect to absorb the blocks. Then again, your rubber choice would have great influence |
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Andro Treiber Z - fl
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srale7
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Do XZQ have that crispness like Viscaria/TBS/ZJK ALC?
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Xiom Zetro Quad ST 90g
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srale7
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Yeah, a little weird that easier blade is faster than heavier, but if so, it confirms the theory that each blade is absolutely unique.
It is often case where we have two of the same blades, same or very similar weight, and one is faster / more power / better spin.. To able to be 100% sure, for test we should have a 5 blade weights 86g and 5 blades 92g and then compare speed/spin/feeling. @drclaude1 What is with vibrations 86g blade vs 92g blade? Or both blades are without vibration? Edited by srale7 - 09/02/2014 at 7:32pm |
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Xiom Zetro Quad ST 90g
FH Xiom Omega4 Euro max BH Xiom Vega Europe max |
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drclaude1
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It sounds weird but my 86 is both faster and spinier than my 92. It flexes more(spinier?) and I guess the ball penetrates to the carbon layer (faster) maybe???
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srale7
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Question for you who have tried more XZQ, what weight is the best?
The declared weight is 90g, but real weight ranging from 85g to 97g. Can someone with a caliper measure the ST handle, I cant find the size of the ST handle on the internet Thanks Edited by srale7 - 09/02/2014 at 4:04pm |
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Xiom Zetro Quad ST 90g
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jackass22
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It was advice, who wants something similar than xzq(off+), but with better control.
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jackass22
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Try avalox hado ( 9 ply hinoki, 7-7.2 mm thickness).
I havent played with better blade like it. It is definitely not off-, but off up off+, but control and dwell is awesome. No vibrations.
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AndySmith
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Yeah, me too. The ZQ is a LOT softer, so gives the impression of being slower at low impact speed IMO. Fast everywhere else. |
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