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TheRobot99
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Posted: 03/27/2011 at 9:32pm |
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I've been thinking about my last rackets and the rubbers I've used on them and I realize what would be "perfect" for me: a soft but tacky topsheet and a fairly hard sponge with plenty of gears and higher spin potential on harder impacts for the forehand and a grippy, hard topsheet (maybe thin as well so I can actually get to the sponge) with a soft sponge for the backhand. Obviously both sheets would be capable of producing high amounts of spin but "everyone" "wants" that. That not to say anything about reactivity or the blade they're mounted on. The blade would be a separate post, maybe lol.
I'm only stating what I want and not that I'm unhappy with what I'm using (well I am on the backhand, but I'm going to test Moon Soft for that ). What physical properties would your dream rubbers possess? (No rubbers that play by themselves please!!! ) Edited by TheRobot99 - 03/28/2011 at 12:01am |
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Ross Leidy Custom, DHS Hurricane III Neos, Nittaku Nodias
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ninglei23
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i want a very fast but controllable rubber with soft sponge and monstrous spin and very high durability
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Yinhe V-14
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TheRobot99
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What are the characteristics of the topsheet, ninglei23? Is it soft or hard?
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Ross Leidy Custom, DHS Hurricane III Neos, Nittaku Nodias
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icontek
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Sriver EL no glue FH.
Sriver FX no glue BH. Put it on a Primorac. Proceed directly to US1700 level in one year with a drilling partner 4 hours a day / 5 days a week. Or, be like the half of us hopeless EJ's who keep switching gear and stay U1300 for years on end *It's different to EJ at U1900 than it is at U1300. The former is tweaking his preferences to get an edge, the latter is seeking to find the gear that will get him 100 points easy. |
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TheRobot99
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I think you slightly misunderstood my question, icontek, and that's my fault for not being explicit enough. Asking for what your "perfect" rubber would be like would have the same answer from everyone: high scores in speed, spin, and control. What I'm really asking for are much more specific properties of the topsheet and sponge. Physical properties only, if you will.
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Ross Leidy Custom, DHS Hurricane III Neos, Nittaku Nodias
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pnachtwey
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Some of us have to work or make it look like we are working. Drilling partner? What drilling partner has that kind of time? My practice partner has only 2 hours a week IF we both are in town at the same time.
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tomas.gt
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Well, my needs are similar. Rather thick topsheet (red), slightly tacky, medium sponge on the BH and medium throw. The sponge must be fast. For FH, I used to have the perfect rubber - 729 higher 3 speedglued. Since the ban I improved a lot and I can adjust almost to every rubber on FH and to keep my performance level the same. Soft tacky topsheet with hard sponge works very well for me as well. Now, I play with the opposite. red not soft topsheet and medium sponge (tuning->medium sponge) on my FH side and medium sponge, thin black topsheet, high throw, rather slow on the BH. Anyway, my perfect BH rubber would be tenergy 25 with slightly tacky topsheet (like spinart is). I had a combination - avalox BT777 with T25 on BH and Grip-s on FH. very good, almost perfect, but T25 went away quite soon. New Grip-s is different from the first one I had. So, everything changed. And the bad thing - the more you practise, the better you are and as you grow up, your needs are developing, so you are still looking for the perfect rubbers and blades ;)
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ninglei23
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@therobot999 i want a more soft topsheet just like my calibra lt sound
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Yinhe V-14
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Ndragon88
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FH BW2 38deg Permanently tuned is near enough perfect for me. Maybe just a little bit slower. BH would be a really soft sponge like nimbus soft or similar feeling with REAL spin, slight tacky topsheet too.
The perfect feeling rubber i have ever tried is boosted T05. A little too fast for me to handle though. Other than that a speed glued H3 was just a beast. 3 layers only. Perfect FH rubber for me
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smackman
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anyhow back to the topic I think I would just like to have the Rakz7 with more grip in the top sheet
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debraj
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therobot99:
the question is right... and relevant!! many of us switch rubbers not because we want to try different... but either the rubber has some shortcomings.. or else (more common these days) the rubber changes too soon or cost goes up, or quality varies batch to batch, sometimes match to match. if H3 NEO could sustain a high speed level throughout... everyone would have played it. My ideal FH rubber will be H3 NEO national tuned with lightly tacky top, slightly softer sponge than h3 neo, but something to make it last for at least 1 year... so the performance drop is so gradual, that i can play 9 months with it without having to worry about adjusting my game. well i don;t play h3 neo national... and prolly wont be playing soon. |
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Ryuspin
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Can you please explain me this of US1700 etc...
i'm from catalonia :)
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BTY Michael Maze Fl
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alexmori
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It means an advanced player and looks like this. guy in white is a typical 1700 player Edited by alexmori - 03/28/2011 at 6:04pm |
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TheRobot99
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Wow. Great comments.
Does anyone know how the pip structure influences a rubber? I know that the only difference between the Tenergys, the Hurricanes, and the Skylines is the pip structure, but it results in drastically different results. |
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pnachtwey
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The guy in white doesn't look like a 1700 player to me.
There is more than pip differences between those rubbers. I do think there is something springy about T05 sponge.
Edited by pnachtwey - 03/29/2011 at 1:54am |
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cmetsbeltran15
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Michael Maze Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 Proceed to US2200 and then get sick of paying tenergy's prices, and begin your EJ hunt on mytabletennis.net to find a cheaper alternative :( |
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snake_eyes
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hmmmm, perfect rubber? How about Tenergy for less than $20 or less :)
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chris.b40
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Why the hat...this is indoors and there's no sun .
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cls2222
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Topsheet like DHS Hurricane 3 Neo wit Calibra or Tenergy sponge. Not sure if that would work how I think it would but I really like brush looping with a rubber that gave the same speed as a Calibra/Tenergy and the spin of a DHS Neo.
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Jonan
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I've found how impressive or really how good a 1700 player depends a lot on where they are from, how they got their rating, how well they perform in tournament and against different style, how "nice" their loops look, who they are playing, their style, etc |
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What a wonderful video - people love TT so much, no matter what the level.
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It is difficult to find the perfect rubber. Blade type (hardness of top layer and flexibility of core), rubber type and playing style makes the finding process complicated. "Perfect" rubber may nolonger be perfect because of differnt rubber version, blade and playing style.
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TheRobot99
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Edited by TheRobot99 - 04/13/2011 at 9:16am |
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Ross Leidy Custom, DHS Hurricane III Neos, Nittaku Nodias
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Jonan
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I've found that tournaments can be a whole lot of fun if you know a few people there. My last one everyone from the low level noobs (me and the people I hung out with) up to the Lindenwood team (2nd best in the country, some 15 or so of them all lounging about and chatting loudly) had a good time. Some of the young players had groups of friends or family, even extended family, there cheering them on, was a lot of fun. |
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debraj
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same speed as Calibra OR Tenergy? to explain further, are you looking for a fast rubber or a medium-slow rubber? [..assume you are talking T05]
Edited by debraj - 04/14/2011 at 1:14am |
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arg0
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What? that is 1700 level? he barely moves! My perfect rubber would be light (to minimize weight) soft (to maximize dwell time and control), and perfectly elastic (not to loose any speed). Unfortunately, that's against the laws of physics, so we all need to compromise. |
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spin mistro
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I want a rubber that is similar to tenergy, preferably better, and costs less.
From what I have seen, the adidas P3 fits it. |
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TheRobot99
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Ross Leidy Custom, DHS Hurricane III Neos, Nittaku Nodias
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pnachtwey
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I was wondering if you played on the Lindenwood team. I guess not.
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seguso
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my dream rubber for forehand would be very high throw, grippy topsheet, medium-hard sponge. does someone know if it exists? galaxy sun is almost there, but I wish the throw was higher, and it was spinnier. (T05: I find the sponge too soft).
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