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zeio
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Topic: New Ball to be Introduced after London OlympicsPosted: 05/24/2011 at 7:19am |
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Finally some concrete details after the ITTF expressed the desire earlier this year to phase out the use of celluloid in the production of table tennis ball.
Information regarding the material and playing characteristics is unclear, though PVC was once listed in earlier revision of the propositions that has since been removed. What is currently known is that the ball is made out of one single piece, thus eliminating the seam once and for all. Kudos to DHS and DFish for managing the feat. The new ball will also come with a slight increase in diameter between 40mm and 40.60mm as opposed to 39.50mm and 40.50mm.
Well, expect a higher price tag for the new balls and avoid stocking up large quantities of the "gonna-be" old ones. |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 7:36am |
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mmm slightly larger ball...hope we get to try out the prototypes soon to see well it plays. Looks like the game is going to slow down just a tad more...
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 7:54am |
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Maybe removing the seam will stop some of the cracking. So, even if more expensive, they may last longer? |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 1:06pm |
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Very interesting, can't wait to see the results.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 1:11pm |
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We've got several Dunlop PVC balls - horrible. I'd better buy one crore of the old. |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 1:34pm |
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uuuuuugh~ make it smaller, not bigger! Smaller balls would crack less and are more fair to non power-looping styles.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 2:58pm |
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Anton Chigurh
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 3:03pm |
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I understand the arguments for and against larger balls... But is increasing the allowance interval by 0.5mm really that big of a deal? After all, this is an allowance interval and many balls (if not most) will be precisely the same size as before. Statistically speaking, many of us have already played with balls that are slightly bigger than 40mm since there is natural variance in the size distribution. I would imagine more skepticism is warranted about the new material.
(I ask with sincerity and not to criticize people's concern... perhaps increasing the interval by 0.5mm will make a big difference. I'd just like to hear how.) Edited by Anton Chigurh - 05/24/2011 at 3:05pm |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 3:05pm |
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In fact the transition from 38 to 40 mm gave advantage to smaller players. Where are now the Swedish giants?
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BMonkey
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 3:13pm |
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I wonder if the weight of the ball will change too.
Once, some guys at the club made their own balls out of ABS and while they were perfectly round and 40mm, they weighed about 2 times as much as a regular ball. It made for an interesting playing experience. By interesting, I mean trying not to get hit by someone's smash because it hurt alot worse
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Anton Chigurh
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 3:33pm |
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I inferred this much; I was more curious about the magnitude of the differences in flight characteristics
This is more what I'm interested in, too. It would seem that heavier balls would wear rubber out faster. Further, it would seem that manufacturers would have to go through yet another design/manufacturing frenzy to generate even thicker blades to keep the speed constant. (E.g., the Allround Evolution Evolution. ) |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 4:23pm |
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One thought: when we hit the ball, it deforms a bit and go back to its normal state. If the new ball does not deform as much (sponge gets stressed harder on a smaller area) or deforms more (more friction on a wider area of the topsheet) the rubber might be more stressed at impact (?). that could be the key.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 4:52pm |
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Did I miss something? Celluloid banned by Nations around the world? All celluloid or just celluloid table tennis balls? No more celluloid key rings, toys and things?
How did all the nations around the world come togather to decide to ban celluloid? Reading the ITTF thing, it sounds like all the nations around the world chooze to ban all things celluloid. Is celluloid dangerous? I know it burns but so do many plastics. So, are all the nations of the world banning all celluloid use and manufacture independant of the ITTF, or are all the nations in the ITTF banning celluloid balls by agreement through ITTF direction? |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 5:02pm |
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Searching for "dangers of celluloid" gives a lot of fire hazards related discussions...
I liked to read this "stiff and springy at the same time"! never thought about that.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 5:05pm |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 5:14pm |
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I'm sure that new balls will cost more than old ones. They are just making money.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 5:43pm |
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If they are more robust, that may be not a big issue. But indeed it's not just about the cost of the replacing the old balls that crack: it's throwing away all the old balls and get new ones, change robot heads, and the advertising frenzy that Anton cited:
Try the new [Insert_brand] Moleculo, the PVC rubber top sheet that creates molecular bonds with the new PVC balls for extra long dwell time, incomparable spin and unlimited control. |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 6:10pm |
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You forgot Try the brand new [Insert_brand] Super-Mega-Neos-Shmeos-Synergy tech blade designed for post-celluloid era. Release the power of [Insert_brand] Super-Mega-Neos-Shmeos-Synergy series!
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 6:17pm |
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"The total ban of celluloid production by national governments" looks like another hoax. I can not find anything on the internet about such a ban. |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 6:27pm |
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Quite strange indeed. < ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celluloid I mean, sure stop using it in toys, its flammable. But hey, it's not like we're going to go set our ping-pong balls on fire. (Okay, I admit... I do, it's quite fun to watch. But still, I don't imagine it is a fire hazard, we're mostly all adults, and children will more likely choke on them. Still, please don't make them bigger for choke proofing, =__=;;.) In fact, it appears that practically the only use left for the substance is producing ping-pong balls. Is there perhaps significant environmental impacts in the production process of celluloid? Hopefully, the new balls will feel almost identical to the old ones. *crosses fingers*
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 6:45pm |
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I know this has been covered before but I really wish the players (particularly China) would take steps to form their own international table tennis organization. ITTF is out of control and driven by greedy manufacturers. There's hardly any consideration for players. I always feel awkward having to explain the current rules when basement players come to the table tennis club. There are all sorts of snapshots of the different rules that have been used over the past years. Some guys come with double black rackets that are literally from the 70s. Some people try to hide serves. Some guys used to play but stopped and still have speed glue. Some guys bring in old 38mm balls to play with because they think they need to bring their own balls. Alot of people still think the game is to 21. "Oh this is table tennis, not any other sport. We change the rules every few years because we don't know how to leave well enough alone."
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 8:07pm |
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Will they still weigh about 2.7 grams? They could make it a little heavier to slow down the game. A thicker wall would also mean more durability and a harder feel which is preferred by many people.
If they get rid of the seam, then in theory all of the balls can be 3 star grade. So they should be cheaper in the end because there will be less rejects (1 stars). |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 8:19pm |
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I highly doubt that and I hope it won't be true. Can you imagine all the clubs around the world that will now have to buy only 3 stars in bulk instead of 1 stars for practice?! EDIT: Sorry, I felt like I should've elaborated -- I'm thinking that the manufacturers will still come up with a way to produce varying levels of quality in order to continue having 1, 2, and 3 stars. For the sake of the consumer, not everyone always buys 3 stars, especially in bulk (for practice, multiball, robot-use, etc.), so they may lose money on that idea. It's always best to present the consumer with a (perceived) choice rather than to force them to buy the same product. In our sport, this is how most of the money is made. We're flooded with hundreds and hundreds of different rubbers/balls/blades/accessories that we may or may not need.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 8:47pm |
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less speed more need to get expensive rubbers and mega expensive blades gonna be a must and happinnes for tamasu gang |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 8:49pm |
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Double happiness for Tamasu gang.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 9:04pm |
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We need to take a closer look at the issue. By this decision of the BoD the celluloid balls are not banned. The BoD btw has no right to do that, because they have no no right to change anything in the Section 2 of the ITTF rules. So this rule can not be changed by a decision of the BoD:
That means, we will be able to use celluloid balls, provided that the AGM does not change the rule 2.03. But I still have a bad feeling, because of their alleged worldwide "total ban" of celluloid coming, which I can not find any reference to on the internet. Why do they need to lie about it? Edited by Mastermind - 05/24/2011 at 9:05pm |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 9:30pm |
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But I still have a bad feeling, because of their alleged worldwide "total ban" of celluloid coming, which I can not find any reference to on the internet. Why do they need to lie about it?
That is exactly what bothers me also. |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 9:38pm |
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Yes, I can't come up with a worldwide ban on anything, not even smoking.
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 9:48pm |
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Side note (slightly off topic): This is absolutely true, and I highly doubt it's an accident. Various psychological and neuroeconomic experiments demonstrate that while people prefer choice, there is a limit to how much choice makes them happy. After a certain threshold of choice is surpassed, people find it increasingly difficult to be happy with their selection. In that case, too much choice benefits the company in that it keeps people spending, and is detrimental to the customer in that it keeps people from being as satisfied. Given this principle, I couldn't help but immediately think of the EJ virus. Flood the market with a billion things with only slight differences between them and many people will be strongly compelled to sample it all, never quite being happy with what they have, always curious about the next thing around the corner. It seems to be a potent tactic: keep people queasy with curiosity and you'll consistently get their money. |
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Posted: 05/24/2011 at 10:01pm |
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1,2,3 star rating has nothing to do with the seam or material, it is just 3 star balls are harder, rounder and heavier than 1 star, there will be still 1 star balls. |
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