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zaman
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Posted: 07/14/2011 at 1:03pm |
can someone tell me about this rubber? advantages and disadvantages.good and bad
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Imago
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Search for Dawei 2008 XP
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icontek
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BH-Man
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Haha, it's among the cheapest rubbers around and plays allround OFF in the mold of Sriver - very controllable.
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Winterhearted
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Dawei 2008 super power xp is a very good for it's price. It's slightly tacky ALL+. It's excellent as first rubber for beginners.
Edited by Winterhearted - 07/15/2011 at 2:55pm |
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tuco
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does it provide very spinny serves?
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Winterhearted
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No super spin on serves, moderate speed and moderate control on loops, just very good for beginners for it's price. I will not recommend this rubber for advanced or high skilled players.
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cole_ely
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I would think you could serve about as spinny with it as you can with anything else. I mean, it's tackier than average. I'm sure it doesn't load topspin as well as some modern rubbers, but I bet you couldn't make any rubber serve much spinnier than 2008xp if that's what you were used to using. Unless maybe you're comparing it to some really tacky rubber like pf4 or something.
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Skippy
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Yeah, I played this rubber for a bit and the serves were acceptably spinny.
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BH-Man
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Yeah, the serves are not as spinny as say, T05, or a new sheet of a tacky rubber, but do you REALLY have to rely on tack for spin? XP 2008 can still generate enough spin to get opponents to dump your serve into the net if you can get them to think there is less spin. That is an art in serving. It comes down to timing in making maximum racket speed with a short stroke. Using a false follow through adds to the chaos. Once you establish the ability to generate heavy spin (hopefully short, but a fast, deep heavy underspin serve can also be effective if hit to the right place), then you open the door to your best serve - the NO SPIN serve performed with the same motion, but with different blade angle and contact point with the chop followthrough. Once you got your heavy chop serve going, you will really be ROFL when your opponent pops up your short NO SPIN servefor a skulldrug finish Ur sister can do. Or, you get that serve pushed safely, but many cm out. Opponent looks at rubber in bewilderment. You are snickering out of control.
It isn't about the ability to generate an impossible 3 G-Force of spin on the serves. 1.2 G-force is enough if you know how to sell the serves.
I still use this on my BH and believe me you, on my heavy BH openers, I get a boatload of spin. Half of National level Div 1 opponents still block my opener long and out. I generate a lot of racket speed at impact, so I get a lot of spin (or speed depending on my impact), but don't expect to get 80% max spin with a weak stroke, like you can get from Tenergy, it simply wont happen. What will happen is you land your shot on the table more often AND you get 3-4 months from this rubber using it 5 hours a day. You can't beat that without a sponsorship.
EDIT: If I had a passable short game and do better on serve receive, I wouldn't be a National level Div 3 player anymore. Still, I think this rubber can be useful to anyone from newb to USATT 2300ish.
Cole must be working overtime calling his suppliers to restock that rubber as I keep ordering piles of it for my BH use on 4 blades, and to equip an Army of former rec blades at Army Camp rec centers, plus an ocassional club member.
Edited by BH-Man - 07/17/2011 at 9:27pm |
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Imago
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Except for being overweighty, this rubber shines in almost all departments. Not unlike H2, sometimes it fails to generate the expected trajectory when hit flat. You simply don't know what to expect if you don't apply a small amount of spin to every shot. This is true of all rubbers under 1.8. In this sense, Dawei 2008 Super Power XP is not very much forgiving. And the hardness of the sponge can be very different, lately. Dawei seem to experience some QC problems.
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BH-Man
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I never weighed any of my XP 2008, but it sure felt lighter than 999 on 42 degree Quattro sponge or Inspirit Quattro, which are true heavyweights in their own right. On my TBS, I can put on a heavy rubber and it still feels balanced well. As for hardness varying, I get that, it can happen. My BH stroke has high impact speed and I can use anything from Dawei from 40 degrees and up. Doesn't bother me if that batch turns out a little firm, OK with my BH. XP 2008 never really felt softer than the advertized 40 degrees, but I never had a way to objectively measure it. I don't like thin sponges, so I cannot personally observe what you mention in your post, but I trust you know your business, and know it well. You never buy from anyone remotely close to a "Saftladen".
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IanMcg
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Mark V equivalent, exept a bit more gummy. Higher spin than sriver, weight coming close to sapphira.
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Clarence247
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I know this is an old thread - but in case someone were to research this rubber - today I tried it in a training setting... looping long serves with strong underspin - both on the BH and the FH. Then 3rd ball attacks vs heavy underspin returns....
In looping underspin, the rubber performs admirably... it lifts with ease and great spin and penetration. Due to it's immense control, I am able to powerloop and return long serves or pushes with 100% force or close to it, but still feeling safe to clear the net and land the ball. I was also able to easily execute less forceful shots focussed on spin and placement....but with the ability to use so much power safely...i opted for power with this rubber... Then in a match setting, the rubber showed excellent short game and placement control on pushes, flicks, blocks and all less aggressive shots... it allowed me to return extremely spinny serves lower and with more placement, without having to attack them outright...just drive and guide... because it is not sensitive to spin. The rubber is not heavy... normal weight. This rubber is going on my backup blade for sure.... very reliable, very cheap, great value, high performance. I would recommend it HIGHLY for anyone starting out on both sides (I actually love it on FH too!) - reminds me a lot of a Mendo MP but with more spin, and more forgiving too. Good cheap Sriver / Sriver EL replacement too - again with more spin and power - same control as the Sriver. Highly recommended for intermediate players too, this rubber can help you win games.... Also recommendable for advanced players who want to return to base, clean up technical flaws through training...as this rubber does everything well, and is perfectly neutral... it has control of Sriver, Power of Mendo MP, More spin than these classic rubbers, and is more forgiving....even when not in position, it does have enough catapult to get the ball over when the stroke is not 100% perfect. Throw is medium when looping and low when driving, so nice drives are possible vs higher balls.... (this available variation between loop, powerloop and drive is what makes me like it very much on the fh side). so.....this is an 8$ sheet of rubber.... what does it lack vs modern tensors costing 5-8 times as much? Well: 1) it has less catapult than some tensors (but still has catapult, sponge is by NO means dead - far from it) 2) it is linear...you need a good stroke and some power to get the spin and speed...for me this is an advantage as it gives more room for variation but some like automatic spin and speed. 3) Speed wise it's mid range...maybe like Xiom Vega Pro 4) the maximum spin limit is around 70-80% of what I get with my adidas P7, but adidas P7 is a very spinny tensor. 5) spin on pushes is slightly less than for instance Rakza 7 soft what does it do better? 1) probably more durable....durability is quite amazing...the sheet I played with was 6 months old and felt like new 2) short game, placement are amazing - like Sriver 3) Price!!!!!! 4) using max power and spin with a lot of control and safety - more than tensors Can it compete as a FH or BH rubber?? I would say at any level below US 2200 - YES and for many it will give better results than most tensors! Buy it, try it! Thx to BH man for always recommending the rubber...!!
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BH-Man
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IanMg has it pegged correct when he says it does everything average (except for control) and yes it is very durable. This rubber lasts at LEAST 3 times longer than the modern rubbers I use.
I also use this rubber on BH wing of just about every blade I tryout.
Like Clarence says, this rubber is about medium in everything. It is my rubber of choice for reconditioning rec center bats or making inexpensive bats for rec players who want a decent bat for very little money. I buy a LOT of this rubber from Cole and he kicks in an extree thing or two every shipment that makes its way to somebody. I just gave away another bat made from Walmart blade and XP 2008 to a sergeant who was using an old premade that was about as slick as anti.
Anyone who wants an inexpensive controllable rubber, this has GOT to be among the top 5. Ever.
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