Zhi-Ming Li 2300(penhold LP pushblocker)

   Zhi-Ming Li is a traditional penhold long pips blocker. He is rated 2300 (seems underrated) and uses a 5$ setup.

Edited by ChichoFicho - 09/06/2011 at 3:40pm

if anything i think hes overrated... i play with a pushblocker on my house league team that's only 1900 u.s and imo, hes WAY better than this guy

ZJKandMLfan wrote: if anything i think hes overrated... i play with a pushblocker on my house league team that's only 1900 u.s and imo, hes WAY better than this guy

He's giving a player close to 2400 a ton of trouble, so he's gotta be a lot better than 1900. That being said, I don't think he's underrated at 2300 or even lower. He and Pushblocker may be the only ones with that style at that level, so the 2400 guy might of had no practice at all beforehand. If he plays Li again and again, he won't struggle as much...

1st guy is Musa that was ranked 20 in the world at his peak. 

Edited by kenneyy88 - 09/06/2011 at 7:51pm

Ok Paul david is still over 2400, not sure if his 2300 but not bad

lol, wtf is the 2nd opponent's deal, a little too intense there, half standing on the table at the end.

Zhi-Ming Li  plays in my area and I play him at least once a week.  He's very tricky with the long pips. He's about a 2100 level player without the pips. With the pips, his illegal serve and his age he's about a 2250+ player. Believe it or not he beat Waldner a couple of years ago in China at a tournament ( Waldner probably had a hangover). 

He currently is only 2252 rated.. He is a tricky player.. Never underestimate pushblockers.. They always look weaker than they are. It's a ugly, but effective style.. Peter Chen is another example of a long pips penhold pushblocker... Not too many players of 2100 - 2300+ level with that style..

Edited by Pushblocker - 09/07/2011 at 9:36am

Vassily wrote: He is using LP. Its not like he can serve some really dastardly serve. The other guy had absolutely no problems with it. That shiny table.... I hate those.

Vassily wrote: He is using LP. Its not like he can serve some really dastardly serve. The other guy had absolutely no problems with it. That shiny table.... I hate those.

hookumsnivy wrote: He has an obviously illegal serve.  He doesn't toss the ball at all.

they say 2 wrongs don't make a right, but maybe next time I play someone that doesn't toss up the ball I should just serve illegally as well. I usually point out to my opponent in a friendly manner that they need to toss the ball, but then after that I usually don't say much unless they are blatantly doing illegal serves to gain an advantage in some way.

AcudaDave wrote: Another thing I've noticed that doesn't get called much is when people move the hand holding the ball. If you watch Timothy Wang's serves during his National's matches you will see that he starts out holding the ball with his hand at the middle of the table but then he pulls it back quite a bit before he tosses it up and never gets called for that.

You should look at chinese ameture TT scene. There's a lot of PH FH lp. 

hunkeelin wrote: You should look at chinese ameture TT scene. There's a lot of PH FH lp.

That's for sure.  Not just LP either, but sometimes LP rubber that has not been changed in years on an ancient blade that looks like it was chewed up by the family dog but which they have been using --- forever.  And some of these guys can attack effectively with them -- not necessarily with a lot of speed, but it is unexpected and they seem to find uncomfortable places to place the ball.  Mostly it is older guys that I have seen doing this, but I saw one teenage girl at a province level training facility who played that way, and she was scary good.  Pop their pushes even a cm too high and whamo.  If you are a conventional topspin shakehand player against those guys, it really helps to be very comfortable attacking with your BH and to have a bunch of good deep serves, especially deep dead and deep with slight underspin.  But know in advance that it is not going to be a lot of fun!!  A lot of those guys have been playing forever, and even if self taught, they have profound tactical skills and feel.