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I can now confirm that it is the Xtend PO that Mathias is using, as I got to look at his blade my self today.
He uses his sp in a way I thought was impossible with sp... |
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You can definitely see his opponent misreading the spin from his FH pips side. Also I get the impression that he is BH oriented player which is his inverted side. Is this so?
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There was a Chinese coach who played that style here in Houston a few years back, about 2590 rating. I played with him many times, very tricky to anticipate where he was going with his forehand, and how fast or how much spin.
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I think that the absolute amount of spin one gets with spinny SP is not that high compared to inverted, but relative to the speed of the ball it can be extremely high, and more importantly, it is very unpredictable and often more than people are expecting (or less). Speaking from experience, I can often spin people off the table with my BH SP side--sometimes I am not expecting it myself, it just happens, especially when I hit down the line -- and sometimes when I try to do it on purpose my opponent overestimates the spin and blocks into the net. People who think that SP are only for fast flat hitting and blocking have never really played with the stuff for any length of time. I have long since learned to ignore coaches who say I use SP "too much like inverted". Watch Tang Peng for awhile and you will see he hits all kinds of shots, not just flat hitting or blocking. And it can be effective on the forehand side too, as per the Swedish player in the clips above, or Li Jiawei. It is always bad to be unidimensional on either side. The one thing, though, I always think at least one side should be inverted if you are a shakehands player.
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If you are going to use your wrist then even T05 can continue the spin. I do it all the time with a chop block. I am talking about spin reversal or continuation by simply putting the paddle in the way. I didn't see the SP with sponge qualifier. |
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what blade is mathias using? |
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zhan jian from singapore is also tricky with SP in FH |
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I think you are right that Mathias is a bh oriented player. I think I've read some where that he begun using sp on his fh since a coach told him that his fh was to weak to make it to the top level, and, his bh is really strong. The thing that impressed me the most with his usage of his sp was his ability to get involved in mid distance rallies with it. I'm really crappy with sp, but trying to hit mid distance loops with it would be totally impossible for me. @BBkon, sorry, I didn't look at his blade carefully enough to see which blade it was, all I know is that it was a Yasaka blade. Mathias is currently 7-0 in the Swdish top division, which is pretty impressive. |
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Speedplay...thanks for posting about Mattias Karlson. I'm also a BH oriented-player that has switched to SP a couple of years ago. My BH was always much stronger than my FH as it just didn't feel comfortable running around trying to loop everything with my FH. I switched to SP and went up 100 pts. I only wish I would have known to switch years ago. I will check out some of his matches on youtube as it's hard to find players like him with SP on their FH.
There are so many more good SPs available now that are fairly spinny and fast so I think you will see more people playing with them in the near future. There was a chinese player at the US Open that had SP on his FH and inverted on his BH and he ended up being over 2600.
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I'll see if any one in our team knows what he is playing with. Too bad I didn't think about asking him about it, cause he seems to be a really nice bloke.
Actuadave, while I agree that there seems to be several good sp out there today, I doubt we will be seeing more sp players at the highest level. As the game is today, it clearly favours the two winged loopers, and all changes that are being discussed will probably only favour them even more. |
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I'm pretty sure He's using a Ma Lin Carbon.
Also, from what I've seen- even with thicker sponge I've seen spectol and penguin both have a little bit of reversal, but it's only when (soft) blocking really really heavy loops that have a lot of arc that you'd usually just slap back anyway, so it doesn't matter much.
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