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vutiendat1337
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Posted: 12/08/2011 at 6:12am |
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Hi,
I am not going to impeach the fact of "special" rubber versions like Hurricane series or Tenergies. We all know the differences among DHS National/Provincial/Commercial version. BUT, I just watched the match between Maze and Dima and something caught my eye. Maze is supposed tobe using Bryce Speed both sides. He's obvisouly pro, is it Pro version of Bryce Speed then? There is quite a bunch of players who do not use tenergy or h3neo. Are all of those rubbers pro's version or just regular off the shelve ones? Which leads me to a question, is there really a "PRO" version? Apparently, in case of DHS it seems be just a quality control thing. The best quality ones - National. A lot of people think those versions are specifically made for those players. But obvisouly, you can't make pro version for all rubber brands and series. I remember a couple of posts which quoted William Henzell who mentioned his experience with Tenergies of some chinese players. Well, it might as well was just heavy boosted ones. So again, is it actually a special version that's produced or just "hand picked" ordinary mortal rubbers? Is it actually possible that some of them really do use equipment that we, too, can our hands on? Edited by vutiendat1337 - 12/08/2011 at 6:13am |
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bluebucket
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The common thoughts are that the top level pros use a denser sponge on their Tenergy, this makes sense because the one you buy in the shops is really a quite soft sponge and probably too soft for really strong players, everyone that uses Tenergy/Bryce speed at semi pro level and above is tuning it. imho the players using Haifu made rubbers, Grip-S, BWII/II, Shark II/III, the Haifu pips and the TSP rubbers are all high enough quality and available in the right sponges to be used straight off the shelf using the standard rubbers + tuner. You don't need to have used or even seen many DHS rubbers to know the pros are using very high grade sheets from DHS, so along with a few special sheets of TG3 and H3 that takes care of 90% of rubber used in the top 100.
So basically if you get Tenergy it should be just like the top pros use except softer, which is good for normal players. The TSP and Haifu rubbers I bet are exactly what the pros use, DHS's pro rubbers I highly doubt even come from the same factory as the production rubbers
Edited by bluebucket - 12/08/2011 at 7:18am |
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mrdoodzki
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i agree. if you listen to ma long's and zhang jike's fh loops in youtube, you could hear the "speed glue" sound from their h3 rubbers. my h3 neo before doesnt make such sounds
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tremil
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I know for a fact that there is a difference in the STIGA boost rubber series. I have talked to many sponsord players that claim that there ones are a "pro"version
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alink91
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I actually know for a fact that chinese national team gets national version of tenergy. I could actually easily get a sheet of it, but its really expensive. From what Im told, its way different from commericial tenergy. Its suppose to be a way spinnier and way faster.
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the_theologian
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Of course it is, anything less wouldn't be fun to believe... btw what are the latest Friendship rubbers rated for speed and spin, like 27/10 and 24/10?
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the_theologian
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are you able to hit the ball like Ma Long and Zhang Jike? just wondering
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LGL_fan
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The early 2008 batches of Tenergy had sponges that were dense and heavy (0.26 g/cc). Curiously, felt only slightly harder, and played pretty similar, though faster, than today's batches. I'm guessing pros would pick this denser sponge. They could also just use the even harder SpinArt sponge.
I doubt what the pros have would be more spinny than what we have. Just more top gears. |
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alink91
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Ive never actually tried national tenergy before, this is just what Im told. The old national sheets were like 500 hkd per sheet, but now its like 600-700 and this is national team members selling to a family member. I was gonna get a sheet from a national team member, but its expensive and I dont play tenergy so I decided not to.
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icontek
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If you could get rubber that was designed for provincial our national level strokes, would you have the technique to control it?
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ohhgourami
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I tried National Tenergy and the level of play required to use it is the same. The only difference is that it has a higher potential since the sponge IS denser.
First hand experience - something no one else has that is answer this thread. |
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the_theologian
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oh come on, it's much better to say, "I know for a fact!", and then quote some hearsay, lol |
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the_theologian
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btw, what designated/distinguished it as a National version? (stamp, marking, etc)
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assiduous
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Just wandering, if they have a better Tenergy, why not sell that at higher price, say 100 USD. I am sure people will buy it.
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Rich215
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http://www.prott.cc/shop/Detailed.aspx?d=Protenergy |
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mrdoodzki
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of course not but my point is that they're h3 neo really seems to be different. you can tell by the sound from youtube. it has the speed glue sound. tuning? factory tune,etc whatever? my h3 neo was said to be a national version but i doesnt make such sounds. i've swtich from it to a donic desto f1 a few weeks ago, and this rubber definitely makes speed glue sounds with my strokes. anyone noticed the sound of ma long's and zhang jike's h3 rubbers too? |
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LGL_fan
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My H3 makes the same sounds after tuning. It feels more lively than a tensor, and even faster.
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mrdoodzki
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any homemade tuning equipment? where to apply? how long is the effect? |
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LGL_fan
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I use Goo Gone. Last 2-3 weeks. Passes the device test even though I think it does have VOCs. I use water glue so that I can just rip off rubber after 2-3 weeks, apply a layer of tuner, put it back onto blade, and the rubber is back in service. |
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glanden.zheng
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LGL_fan
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I don't know, it is a citrus-based cleaning product based on orange oil. |
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alink91
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At least for h3 I think most people have the ability to control both national and provincial. Most certainly provincial.
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icontek
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I'm confused. Traditionally, harder, denser sponge requires better technique to produce topspin. It requires more precision to both drive and topspin shots. A good example is how 41 degree H2 (even speedglued) requires better strokes than the same rubber in 38 degree for consistent performance... I'm skeptical that rubber that is designed for professional needs and abilities would better suit intermediate or weaker players. If the difference between National and Commerical were simply in the factory tune job (something that produces a softer, more elastic sponge) then I can completely understand why even developing players might be able to get more out of it.
I might concede that even ex-basement players like me might prefer the factory tune of good Provincial Neos (specifically Provincial Neo H3 compared to Commercial Neo H3) but unlike Provincial players we don't get a new sheet when the factory tune wears off. I don't mean to steer this back toward a Factory Tune is OK, but Player Tune is Illegal argument, but if I could afford a new sheet of H3 Provincial Neo every 2-3 weeks, I would probably still be using it. Can you tell that I got a chance to compare a new H3 Neo Provincial with a 6 month old sheet recently? :) |
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ohhgourami
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It's not a lot harder, but the sponge does feel different. I was able to switch back and forth between the National and regular Tenergy without an issue. Speed was the same on both rubbers. It just that National has harder potential why the regular gives out. |
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Imago
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It is made for Chinese nationals and costs orrespondingly. Say, six of ten USD.
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the_theologian
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I was wondering if there's actually a designation on the packaging or topsheet or sponge, rather than just verbal claims and price increase
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Imago
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It was a joke. Meaning that all "National" claims are associated with fakes. Officially, there is no National version of Tenergy.
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the_theologian
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ha, I took you seriously.
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icontek
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You guys are posting faster than I can get them moved!
For the Tuning Branch of this thread (to prevent derail) - post comments here: Latest discussion of Tuning Legality |
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