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whats sriver max??? i know theres a sriver, sriver fx and sriver el but whats sriver max???
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Johnny Huang now uses a Killerspin blade with Stiga Clippa rubbers I think.
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kong linghui now uses butterfly Kong Linghui special blade and tackifire for forehand and backhand.
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I think Kong Linghui is back using Globe 999. Since he doesn't like tackifire from butterfly. But he is still sponsored by Butterfly. whp90 |
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On butterfly-world.com I read Kreanga uses Primorac Carbon blade and Bryce rubber
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hi, This is a good article. However, I will lilke to stress out something. This may sound untrue but, do you know that the average national player doesn't use any of the rubbers you buy in the market? The may use the same brand name as those in the market but they are by far more better than the ones you see in the market. The rubbers in the market (some with players names and some without) are just there for advertisement. I am not saying that they are fakes or something like that, what I am saying is that the companies make special rubbers for these top players and they never sell them in the market. Rather, governments or associations (e.g canada table tennis association, or USATT) pay to these companies. In return, the companies supply 10 rubbers every month to each player. Blades are supplied every quarter of a year or so. Ask a top player and he will tell you. If you get to use a top players racket, you will know what I am talking about.
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very true. i think top players have their supplies custom made for them.
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Do u think that those new tensioned rubbers increase the skill of a low level player or decrease because it is too hard controlling them? |
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hi lucio pingpong, Actually, to be honest with you, a rubber doesn't increase a players skill however, it could help you improve certain skills. Back to your question proper, the new tensioned rubbers can only assist you to execute certain shots with ease (this is due to their grippy nature). For a low level player (pending on how low) its better to first of all decide which style you want to play. By that I mean, you will have to evaluate yourself (or a good coach can help) to see which shots you are conversant with then you can select the right rubber. In other words a tensioned rubber may not be suitable for you if naturally you are not used to (or don't feel comfortable) executing shots that will maximize the use of that rubber. Remember, first you evaluate yourself not technically (strength and weaknesses) but naturally. I hope this helps. Meeking |
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thanks meeking. I'm a beginner (1 year) so I don't know what I want. My favourite player is Joo Se Hyuk, and I like to see his matches. But I dont'like out pimples rubbers because in my opinion, with those rubbers, u can't do what u want. I like also whatching Kreanga's matches. I dream to play at a middle distance from the table with many counter loops with forehand, many chops and some surpirising topspins with bachand. I don't know if it is possible. Now I'm playing in the last italian league, I play near the table, I win against passive players and I loose against agressive players. I'm able to make good topspins and blocks with forehand, some chops and some rare topspins with backhand. I have many problems when someone attack me on the backhand because I'm too near the table to make a chop and too bad to make a block or an impossible counter loop for me. Now I'm training better my backhand, but I want also play farer from the table. I don't know if I'm able to make good fh loop and counter loop as I make near the table. So my idea is to use a tensioned rubber on the fh and something like a tackiness chop on th bh. what u think i have to do? |
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To Meeking,
I know one of the top players(top top) in North America and he gets no custom rubbers, or blades. Just the standard gear we get from Paddle Palace, or TTP. The only thing different is that he will be shipped a number of blades of one model to hit with to choose the one he likes best. The other thing is that he has tremendous skill, and talent, bourne, and perfected through years of hard training and competition. John |
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To Lucio,
On your forehand try Bryce, yes Bryce! A player at my club changed to Max Bryce on a Primorac carbon (from Off- wood and Mountjuic max) and his level has gone up (he also takes lessons) I tried his blade and loved it(power and control!). If you have any confidence with your forehand go with Bryce. John |
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"I know one of the top players(top top) in North America and he gets no custom rubbers, or blades. Just the standard gear we get from Paddle Palace, or TTP. The only thing different is that he will be shipped a number of blades of one model to hit with to choose the one he likes best. The other thing is that he has tremendous skill, and talent, bourne, and perfected through years of hard training and competition". It may be true that the top player you know buys his rubbers from local distributors. O.K can you be kind enough to tell us the name of this top player? I will also appreciate it if you can tell us the world ranking of this player with tremendous skill, and talent, bourne, and perfected through years of hard training and competition.
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I don't feel good about purely name dropping, however I will tell you that he was on the Chinese national team (first team), and in his regular playing days was in the top 20. He also has a winning record against the current world champion Werner Shlager. If you where able to see this guy play table tennis even just observe him warming up you would see what a large gulf there is between a serious rec player and the true pro. I've seen him grab a blade with the deadest rubber and create the most hidious spins I've ever seen.
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Lucio, I believe you were asking me to offer some suggestions on what you should do - right?. O.K First of all, I can assume that you probably (either consciously or unconsciously) evaluated Joo Se Hyuk's style of play and you concluded that he seldom produces topspin with his backhand, which in some cases is a disadvantage, thus you decided that you wouldn't want to copy his style blindly but build on it (I am only assuming). Now lets face it, do you play close to the table or stand close to the table? (you said you play close to the table). There is a difference. If you are a defensive player, you would stand close to the table during service and return of serve (this is normal) however, the real game evaluation is not during these periods but during the rally (after serve and return). During rallies, do you still stand close to the table and chop with your backhand? I guess not. You back off from the table to give yourself room so that you can judge the ball and chop, this being the case, your rubber is meant to absorb the spin or speed of the opponent. If a rubber is meant to absorb spin or speed, you cannot use it to generate any effective spin. This is a fact. If you stand close to the table hoping that you will use your backhand to produce spin, block or counterloop, your game will be in serious Jeopardy. Also, you said you cannot block on your backhand, your backhand is not meant for continous blocking (remember that) you can block one, two or more against less speedy or spinny balls (passive players) but when you meet an opponent whose balls have high speed and spin you will definitely regret playing close to the table with your backhand rubber. Because almost all the ball will sink into the net. Secondly, if you are a backhand chopper, that means that you are slow in judging balls (or why do you think you cannot see the ball when an opponent drives with extreme speed to your backhand?). And if that is the case and you have come to accept that you are slow on the backhand, then immediately after you return the serve you have to move at least 1 step (15cm at least) from your initial position to watch what your opponent will do (he may drop the ball or decide to start attack) if he drops the ball, you can still move in to hit the ball (15cm is not a great distance) and if he decides to attack, you will see his swing and the direction of his attack then move back to retrieve the ball with your backhand or counter attack with you forehand. For now, try to stop blocking with your forehand, and to work on counterlooping with your forehand, that means getting to the middle distance fast, if you do so, you will develop a good footwork which will also build up your backhand chop. Hope this helps
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Thanks meekin, I love your help and I try immediatly to do what u seggest to stay a bit farer from the table after serve and return serve. Which rubber do u think is better for my backhand? Take note that in Italy I can buy easily everything of butterfly, donic, andro, stiga and only few of tibhar, yasaka, friendship. Nothing about other factories. Now I'm using friendship 729 1.5mm but i think it has no much control as i need. thanks |
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Lucio, Before I make any suggestions, I will like to ask the following: What exactly do you consider to be the controlling factor in your game. What I mean is that, some people rely on different factors to help them play at their maximum and these factors can also be regarded as control (remember that rubbers also have controls). Let's take a good example. Let's say you know that if you produce a very strong backspin (during practise sessions), opponents find it difficult to smash the ball, and you are very certain of this fact, this then becomes one of your controlling factors and if fully developed, it becomes the main controlling factor of your game. This being the case, you will have to get a defensive rubber that produces strong backspin. Or may be you noticed that when you kill the spin on the ball (after practicing with various players) the ball travels back slowly and very low (or just slowly or low) to your opponent and this kind of trajectory(low) or flight (slow) makes him lose his driving rhythm. In this case, you will have to get a defensive rubber that kills spins and speeds of incoming balls. There are several rubbers in the market and because I don't leave anywhere close to you (to assist you in making a good evaluation), I will suggest that you follow my guide (written above) and then try one of the newer technological rubbers. The newer rubbers promise more than the older versions. Also, since you will have to change your rubber almost every 2 or 3 months, then you can try other brands that promise the desired effect you want and if the newer ones don't deliver what they promise, then you can revert to trying older ones. I believe that if you change your rubber almost often, you will come across a rubber that will help you maximize your potential (maybe not fully but at least it will help you improve beyond your initial level). I hope this helps. |
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why dont you try sriver fx 2.1 .i think thats a great backhand rubber!! forehand of curse too!!!!!just try it havr some fun with it!!!!!!!!! |
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Hi ppl nowadays the table tennis game is so incredibly fast that the players rarely move out of the table and if u noticed, in the last championships there is more use of backhand than forehand than in the past years
this is because backhand is such an efficient, fast and simple stroke when compared to the forehand. |
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the chart above mentioned are either old or not accurate.. waldner doesn't use dicon anymore, he uses a waldner carbon senso, jorgen persson uses a persson powercarbon with sonex jp rubbers on it.. wang liqin uses a black hurricane 2 max with a nittaku hammond as backhand.. and liu used a tsp spin pips as his forehand..
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Hope for more information to update list. thanks
Laudi: how to put information in a nice format? Name (Country) Racket Forehand Backhand Glue Jan-Ove Waldner (SWE) Waldner carbon senco J.O. Waldner� max J.O. Waldner max Donic Waldner Speedmaster Kong Linghui (CHN) Kong Special Bryce 2.1 Bryce 2.1 Tibhar Rapid Clean� Vladamir Samsonov (BLR) Samsonov Alpha Rapid�X-Press max� Rapid X-Press max Tibhar Rapid Clean Liu Gouliang (CHN) Clipper Wood WRB TSP Spin pips Mendo Wang Tao (CHN) Avalox 7-ply Globe 999 or Avalox Purot Spectol 2.0 Zoran Primorac (CRO) Primorac Carbon Sriver EL�max Sriver EL�max Butterfly Fair Chack Peter Karlsson (SWE) Stiga Allround Classic WRB Stiga Mendo Stiga Mendo �Stiga Energy Glue Kim Taek Soo (KOR) Cypress PenHolder Bryce 2.1 Butterfly Fair Chack Jorg Rosskopf (GER) Rosskopf Viva Cava max Cava�max Joola Rossi Plus J.M. Saive (BEL) Andro Kinetic OFF+ Revolution C.O.R Revulotion C.O.R Andro J.M Performance� Ding Song (CHN) Double Happiness Globe 999 Friendship 802 short pips J.P. Gatien (FRA) Gatien Extra 3D Mark V Mark V Yasaka Gatien Speed Clean Ma Wenge (CHN) Avalox 5-ply Magical Spin 2.2 Magical Spin 2.0 Nittaku Rubber Dine Johnny Huang (CAN) Avalox 7-ply Spin-Pips 2.0 Spin-Pips 2.0 Kakinikos Kreanga (GRE) Trinko Keen OFF� Bryce�2.1 Bryce�2.1 Butterfly Fair Chack Jorgen Persson (SWE) Persson Powercarbon Sonex jp Sonex jp Donic Persson Light Ma Lin (CHN) Yasake Gatien Extra Tibhar Rapid Clean� Yoo Nam Kyu (KOR) Cypress Pen Holder Sriver max Butterfly Fair Chack Timo Boll(GER)� �Timo Boll Spirit Sriver L max Sriver L max Butterfly Fair Chack Wang Hao(CHN) Yasaka Gatien Extra DHS G666 2.1 DHS G666 2.1 �Tibhar Rapid Clean� Ryu Seung Min Penholder Kim Teak Soo Bryce 2.1� �Butterfly Fair Chack Michael Maze(DEN) � Michael Maze OFF Bryce 2.1 Sriver El 2.1 Butterfly Fair Chack� �Joo Se Hyuk(KOR) Spezial All+ Tackifire 2.1 Bamboo Curl max �Butterfly Fair Chack Werner Schager(AUT)� Werner Schlager Carbon OFF+ Bryce 2.1� Bryce 2.1 Butterfly Fair Chack Wang Liqin(CHN) DHS Wang Liqin(WTTC 04) DHS Hurricane2 2.2 Nitttaku Hammond �Tibhar Rapid Clean Chuan-Chih Yuan(TPE) Donic Dicon(or Chuan) Vario max Vario max� Donic Persson Speed Light Alexei Smirnov(RUS) Donic Dicon(or Chuan) Vario Cooper S Vario cooper S Persson Speed Light |
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kong ling hui--> fh: globe 999 national black, bh: bryce 2.1
smirnov-> i think he used a kong ling hui euro, there was a pic here posted before.. samsonov-> tibhar speedy spin and rapid??? |
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I think Samsonov use Primorac Carbon with Alpha handle..
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In a Kong Linghui�s training video it looks like he uses a Hurricane rubber on the forehand.
But it is very hard to say what the pro�s are using, they won�t show us because of some commercial things... But I don�t see what it matters what they are using. It is not their equipment that is winning, it is themselves, with an equipment that suites them. So you just have to find the equipment that suites you.
But to answer the question,
Maze: Maze blade, FH: Bryce hard BH: Bryce hard.
Wang Liqin: Stiga Offensive CR, FH: Hurricane 2, BH Nittaku Nodias.
Timo Boll: Timo Boll Spirit, Sriver L both sides
Wang Hao: Dipper blade, FH: Hurricane 3, BH Sriver L
Ma Lin: Gatien Extra, FH ?, BH: Bryce
Schlager: Schlager Carbon, 2x Bryce
Kreanga: Kreanga Aeros, 2x Bryce FX
That is what I have heard, but it is not sure that they are using that....
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Hallur!
Maze is using sriver el in BH WLQ, DHS H-KING, and hammond in BH Ma lin, Ma lin carbon skyline 2/3 in FH |
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BTY: M.MAZE
G2 FX Sriver FX No GLUE !!! |
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