Ding Ning replaces Guo Yan for Olympics Confirmed

Originally posted by ZApenholder Pro Tours are still allowed right?

Even non citizens can represent a country in pro tours. E.g., Li Hu plays in pro tours under Singapore even though he still is a Chinese citizen. Or, our own Jiaqi Zheng plays in pro tour under USA even though she still is a Chinese citizen. 

Originally posted by ZApenholder Originally posted by JimT Originally posted by jrscatman Ok, in that list by my count 15 Chinese born players - not mention when did HK become a country. How does Guo Yan feel? Wonder if she'll be willing to go to another Country - where she'll be guaranteed an Olympic spot in 8 years. Actually you can play Olympics as soon as you get the citizenship. If you were referring to the ITTF rules, they only apply to WTTC and WCup, and also wouldn't allow Guo Yan to play for the new country at all (if the player is older than 21 then he/she is not allowed to represent the new country at World events EVER!!) 4.01.03.04  Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at World Championships.  4.03.06.03  Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at the World Cup.  4.04.06.03  Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at the World Team Cup.  What if a player has dual citizenship, and already appeared for one country and older than 21 yrs old. Does that mean he/she can't play for the other country that is already a citizen too?

The citizenship in your example doesn't matter - what matters is which country he was registered at ITTF to play for. So yes, if he/she already played for one country at ITTF events, and he is more than 21 year old, he/she will be prohibited from ever playing for another country at World events. Nice, isn't it?

Originally posted by JimT Originally posted by jrscatman Ok, in that list by my count 15 Chinese born players - not mention when did HK become a country. How does Guo Yan feel? Wonder if she'll be willing to go to another Country - where she'll be guaranteed an Olympic spot in 8 years. Actually you can play Olympics as soon as you get the citizenship. If you were referring to the ITTF rules, they only apply to WTTC and WCup, and also wouldn't allow Guo Yan to play for the new country at all (if the player is older than 21 then he/she is not allowed to represent the new country at World events EVER!!) 4.01.03.04  Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at World Championships.  4.03.06.03  Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at the World Cup.  4.04.06.03  Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at the World Team Cup.

What if a player has dual citizenship, and already appeared for one country and older than 21 yrs old.
Does that mean he/she can't play for the other country that is already a citizen too?

I still think it is silly to take Rotterdam's WTTC results / May 2011 results into consideration at all (Maybe atmost medal winner can be direct qualifers, but not 28 people per gender)
Is there any other sports that take world rankings so far back like TT does? I just know there is still so many qualifcation tournament happening lately, sure didn't hear about them last May.

Imagine if Wang Liqin won Rotterdam, and had a few good pro tours before May 2011. He would qualify and "retire" before Olympic and would need to be replaced due to "injury"

And I think it has almost nothing to do with Shi Zhihao's apprentices. If we look at LSW, she basically was beach warmer in Dortmund. That is the first time I saw a member of Chinese Teams that hardly played.

I have a feeling Guo Yan knew her fate before Dortmund already. Obviously Dortmund was a test for the "olympic team", and they did pretty well.

And I still believe Guo Yan is good enough to get a medal at the Olympic, feel so sad for her from a sportsman point of view.
Next life time I guess (same as what LGL mentioned to Wang Hao if he fails again)



Edited by ZApenholder - 05/11/2012 at 3:55am

"Shi Zhihao, head coach of the Chinese women's table tennis team, shut his cell phone down and cannot be reached immediately for comments."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2012-05/11/content_15264334.htm

The German forum had the news too before it was posted here.

As for ITTF's facebook page, you don't need to log in to view it, so in that sense it certainly is public. It depends on the privacy controls. (And why should Google be allowed to access pages that a user wants to keep private?) Of course now FB is teaming up with Microsoft/Bing in another episode of search engine and social networking wars.

Originally posted by ZApenholder interesting that it is on ITTF FB before ITTF website. I wonder which is more important for them nowadays...

Edited by kenneyy88 - 05/10/2012 at 4:30pm

Originally posted by AJay Well its out on ITTF website now, and all over Chinese media too. For strategic reasons, CNT would want to keep it in the bag for as long as possible, but it does take some paperwork on the part of several organizations, so they could not risk cutting too close. Perhaps it was unintentionally leaked in some embedded document as you found it.       Great find ZApenholder, you might have been the first in the world to report it to the public!

Well its out on ITTF website now, and all over Chinese media too.

I think if I was CNT management and have control over the likes of HK, I would make them China B team. How about Macau too (C team)

Currently SG is like China B team now, they can become D team lol

There is just too many Chinese talents in the womens side, compared to mens.
Guo Yan does stand a chance to get a medal in this Olympics, so my theory is, she may be good enough to be Olympic champion or 2nd or 3rd place etc, but not good enough to be a top Chinese player today.

We can also talk about Fan Ying (26yrs) - one of the best defensive players in the world, is just never good enough to represent China in any major event. As well as so many current 25 ~ 30 years old players China A team players that still can beat the rest of the world.

Then they have so many juniors that will challenge the top 3 spots in Feng Yalan, Zhu Yuling, Chen Meng. While the likes of Guo Yue, Li Xiaoxia, Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning will not even be 30yrs old yet.

Imo, I think Chinese women player only have 1 chance for Olympic, 2nd chance is slim with the 2 player rule and so many up and coming talents.

I hope Guo Yan doesn't quit Chinese TT, but I do hope all the players that can't find a place in Chinese TT team, does go out to the rest of the world to help develope TT.

BTW, Will Chinese women occupy the whole top 10 ranking?

poor guo yan. just so much competition amongst women (and men) at the top ranks of the chinese national team. too get shafted in 3 subsequent olympics....cant feel good :(.

I meant if Guo Yan is a Singaporean citizen tomorrow, could one of the current 3 entries be 'injured' to allow for Guo Yan?       There is a deadline for sure, but they kept talking about May 13 which makes me think there is still time to substitute.

O the list 3 player from China, two direct and 1 qualified

Originally posted by jrscatman Too many rules and regulations. Way too complicated for my taste!

Not to mention - completely contrary to decency and common sense. The new rule means that after 21 you will never be able to represent your new country. NEVER. Even when you turn 50 !

They should have made 3 years from 15 and 18, 5 years for 18-21, 7 years after 21. Then at least people could have had some hopes...

Originally posted by jrscatman Ok, in that list by my count 15 Chinese born players - not mention when did HK become a country. How does Guo Yan feel? Wonder if she'll be willing to go to another Country - where she'll be guaranteed an Olympic spot in 8 years.

Actually you can play Olympics as soon as you get the citizenship. If you were referring to the ITTF rules, they only apply to WTTC and WCup, and also wouldn't allow Guo Yan to play for the new country at all (if the player is older than 21 then he/she is not allowed to represent the new country at World events EVER!!)

4.01.03.04	Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at World Championships.
4.03.06.03	Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at the World Cup.
4.04.06.03	Players being 21 years of age or older will not be registered with the ITTF and will not be eligible to represent a new association at the World Team Cup.