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Great stuff, Eric.  

I played "Ovtcharov" at Nationals last year and he plays a similar style to you, probably a little harder on the aggressive strokes since he moves better and uses inverted on both sides.

I've found that even when I work on my game, even if the results show up in club matches in 2-3 months, they take about 6 months before they show up in tournaments.  I think the improvement in your forehand offense is great.
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Great stuff, Eric.  

I played "Ovtcharov" at Nationals last year and he plays a similar style to you, probably a little harder on the aggressive strokes since he moves better and uses inverted on both sides.

Well, I wouldn't say that Michael (Ovtcharov) has the same style of Eric.  Michael's a looper who has a hard time remembering to be aggressive.  He's actually a lot more successful when he's aggressive.  He learned to play in a small but very strong club and I always figured he developed his defensive tendencies (he was good at lobs even when only a 1300 player) just to survive with everyone else.

By the way, I should mention that Michael is one of our regulars at our Stellan Training camps.  
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Originally posted by Eric Fountain Eric Fountain wrote:

I may be either the same player as before or even regressing, with all the same old problems, but hey, at least I can try to salvage some cool videos out of it. 720p60fps setting recommended.



Eric you changed your style for this tournament. When Bryan (first opponent in videos) told me he was in your group I told him you were a defensive chopper. I don't think you did any chopping that I saw the whole tournament. As for you having to play Michael that only happened because of the shenanigans they did with RR draw. They swapped you and me in our RR groups.
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Nice work on the video Eric! There's even a couple snippets of our match in there. It was fun to play another LP player. I hope to see you at future tournaments.
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Great stuff, Eric.  

I played "Ovtcharov" at Nationals last year and he plays a similar style to you, probably a little harder on the aggressive strokes since he moves better and uses inverted on both sides.

Well, I wouldn't say that Michael (Ovtcharov) has the same style of Eric.  Michael's a looper who has a hard time remembering to be aggressive.  He's actually a lot more successful when he's aggressive.  He learned to play in a small but very strong club and I always figured he developed his defensive tendencies (he was good at lobs even when only a 1300 player) just to survive with everyone else.

By the way, I should mention that Michael is one of our regulars at our Stellan Training camps.  

Hey, we can only go by how people actually play, not how they should play.  At the events he performed best, it was his defensive tendencies that messed up the players who were too inconsistent to hit through them (myself included).  I am supposed to be two-winged looping, but my game is really more push-block rallying.  Someday, hopefully, it will all change for the better.


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Nice work on the video Eric! There's even a couple snippets of our match in there. It was fun to play another LP player. I hope to see you at future tournaments.
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Great stuff, Eric.  

I played "Ovtcharov" at Nationals last year and he plays a similar style to you, probably a little harder on the aggressive strokes since he moves better and uses inverted on both sides.

Well, I wouldn't say that Michael (Ovtcharov) has the same style of Eric.  Michael's a looper who has a hard time remembering to be aggressive.  He's actually a lot more successful when he's aggressive.  He learned to play in a small but very strong club and I always figured he developed his defensive tendencies (he was good at lobs even when only a 1300 player) just to survive with everyone else.

By the way, I should mention that Michael is one of our regulars at our Stellan Training camps.  

Hey, we can only go by how people actually play, not how they should play.  At the events he performed best, it was his defensive tendencies that messed up the players who were too inconsistent to hit through them (myself included).  I am supposed to be two-winged looping, but my game is really more push-block rallying.  Someday, hopefully, it will all change for the better.
Well, they both lob, but Eric is a chopper who sometimes lobs and Michael is a looper who sometimes lobs.  They both range a lot around the court, moving in and out, back and forth.  Eric's defensive style is mostly by choice.  Michael's defensive style is more of a fall back; when he's feeling really confident -- or has a coach watching over him -- he doesn't do much defense (nor does he need it).  It can feel the same when both players are busy retrieving everything you throw at them, but the differences are large when they're not retrieving and that means you should approach playing them with different strategies.
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Here's a video of the Over 40 finals between Philippe Dassonval and myself. 

I feel more comfortable moving in position to attack now at 110 lbs overweight than I was at 140 lbs overweight back in May. 



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Here is a video of me getting annihilated by a 5 ft 10 13 year old giant kid who beat both Phillipe Dassonval and Rich DeWitt to win the U2200 at Westchester yesterday.  I was just road kill on the journey.   Motto: beware of who you give training tools to - you just might end up helping train someone to beat you mercilessly.

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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Here's a video of the Over 40 finals between Philippe Dassonval and myself. 

I feel more comfortable moving in position to attack now at 110 lbs overweight than I was at 140 lbs overweight back in May. 


Good stuff, heavyspin.  But did you really have to put the camera in that corner for a match between two right handed players?
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NL, i love how u were  looking sideways during the warm up. lol

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NL, i love how u were  looking sideways during the warm up. lol

any chance on sharing you and PP's equipment in details?



It's a club match - what am I supposed to do?  That said, without kids like that, I would never have broken 2000.  And if my body holds up well enough for me to take a crack at 2100, it will be partly solving the problems posed by him to my movement and my overall ball control.

My equipment is in my signature.  His equipment is Timo Boll ZLC and either T05 or T80 on forehand and T80 on backhand.



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I was wishing I would play someone from here that was taping.  No such luck.  I did have a hit with a couple of guys from online I'd not met in person, and that was cool.

I did play one kid who taped the match but his family was insane.  Pretty sure I'm not getting a hold of that one.  They were yelling at me and to the kid the whole time, and I was saying commentary into the camera.  Would be funny if it surfaced.
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take it easy just thought you were cool thats all. *you must be thinking too bad I cant body slam him like in the footballs* The reason behind the equipment question was that I noticed your blade/rubber didnt have enough kick/bounce on the block and many times fell short into the net. same goes for the spin/throw. Maybe it was the loop angle but I'd suspect the rubbers. 

PP's blade has much faster block speed and low throw angles on his backhand. T80 makes sense. 

It was a friendly club game for sure. I didnt see any spinny services or 3rd ball strike. 

PP did lots full motion movements of banana flicks, you didn't. 


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ahsq ahsq wrote:

NL, i love how u were  looking sideways during the warm up. lol

any chance on sharing you and PP's equipment in details?



It's a club match - what am I supposed to do?  That said, without kids like that, I would never have broken 2000.  And if my body holds up well enough for me to take a crack at 2100, it will be partly solving the problems posed by him to my movement and my overall ball control.

My equipment is in my signature.  His equipment is Timo Boll ZLC and either T05 or T80 on forehand and T80 on backhand.


NextLevel, your backhand is sick, i would not want to be on the receiving side of those topspins
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Originally posted by ahsq ahsq wrote:

take it easy just thought you were cool thats all. *you must be thinking too bad I cant body slam him like in the footballs* The reason behind the equipment question was that I noticed your blade/rubber didnt have enough kick/bounce on the block and many times fell short into the net. same goes for the spin/throw. Maybe it was the loop angle but I'd suspect the rubbers. 

PP's blade has much faster block speed and low throw angles on his backhand. T80 makes sense. 

It was a friendly club game for sure. I didnt see any spinny services or 3rd ball strike. 

PP did lots full motion movements of banana flicks, you didn't. 

On the equipment:  That's pretty insightful and I arrived at the same conclusion after reviewing my matches yesterday - my setup is too slow for quick countering, but I slowed it down for a reason to work on my movement and my long term game - it does hurt on a day like Sunday when I am playing with half a knee instead of two knees.

On the backhand technique question, I don't think there was any real difference other than youth and mobility.  He didn't do any flicks - he mostly pushed the ball and I didn't have the mobility to take the ball in my strike zone.  I did more actual flicks of short or half-long balls than he did.  Obviously, I missed my fair share as well.
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ahsq ahsq wrote:

NL, i love how u were  looking sideways during the warm up. lol

any chance on sharing you and PP's equipment in details?



It's a club match - what am I supposed to do?  That said, without kids like that, I would never have broken 2000.  And if my body holds up well enough for me to take a crack at 2100, it will be partly solving the problems posed by him to my movement and my overall ball control.

My equipment is in my signature.  His equipment is Timo Boll ZLC and either T05 or T80 on forehand and T80 on backhand.


NextLevel, your backhand is sick, i would not want to be on the receiving side of those topspins

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Good stuff, heavyspin.  But did you really have to put the camera in that corner for a match between two right handed players?

I didn't put the camera there, it was Philippe's camera.
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Good stuff, heavyspin.  But did you really have to put the camera in that corner for a match between two right handed players?

I didn't put the camera there, it was Philippe's camera.

My bad - I thought you recorded it.  So many good points ruined by the camera view....
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Here is a highlight video of my first month playing shakehand!  These are clips from two tournaments' U2150 events:

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Here is a highlight video of my first month playing shakehand!  These are clips from two tournaments' U2150 events:



Nice video Schen. Looking real good. Hope you hit 2000 soon. Good Luck!!!
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Good stuff, heavyspin.  But did you really have to put the camera in that corner for a match between two right handed players?

I didn't put the camera there, it was Philippe's camera.
The worst part is that he used some sort of fisheye lens, distorting the pictures and making it impossible to get a good view of the match. I normally really like watching Larry's matches but I couldn't even make it all the way through this one.
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Here is a video of me getting annihilated by a 5 ft 10 13 year old giant kid who beat both Phillipe Dassonval and Rich DeWitt to win the U2200 at Westchester yesterday.  I was just road kill on the journey.   Motto: beware of who you give training tools to - you just might end up helping train someone to beat you mercilessly.



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Yes, he is from the Adrian Crisan playing style of table tennis.  That said, he knows his opponent well enough to know what he can get away with.
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Good stuff, heavyspin.  But did you really have to put the camera in that corner for a match between two right handed players?

I didn't put the camera there, it was Philippe's camera.
The worst part is that he used some sort of fisheye lens, distorting the pictures and making it impossible to get a good view of the match. I normally really like watching Larry's matches but I couldn't even make it all the way through this one.
I got dizzy from the zooming effect, and had to stop about 20 secs in.  I wouldn't doubt that this camera can add 100+ lbs to any one LOL.
 
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Here is a highlight video of my first month playing shakehand!  These are clips from two tournaments' U2150 events:

 
You chop very well for someone who just switch to SH.  Very nice video.
 
 
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Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

Here is a highlight video of my first month playing shakehand!  These are clips from two tournaments' U2150 events:



Nice video Schen. Looking real good. Hope you hit 2000 soon. Good Luck!!!

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