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redbee
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Hi, I am a new member here but been visiting this site for years now. Please bear with me.
Same question may had been posted before but technology is changing so maybe better to post a new thread. I am looking for OFF/OFF+ thinnest 7-ply (5+2) composite blade, anything you can think of? Maker: Model: Thickness: |
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many of the Butterfly 5W+2C are around 5.7mm
MJ ZLC and TBS i do not know if it get much thinner than 5.7mm i have a Nittaku Violin 5.2mm 5 ply wood. i have not seen any blade thinner than that. MJ = Butterfly Mizutani Jun TBS = Butterfly Timo Boll Spirit
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@silva7, thank you for the info. TBS is thin enough but maybe there's a thinner 5+2 out there.
MJ is 3W+2ZLC. |
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I have a 5.5 mm YMLC. The thinnest composite blade I have played with is Stiga Titanium - but it is 5+4
BTW, TB ZLF is about 5.3-5.4 mm and also a very light blade. Edited by Imago - 08/15/2012 at 2:02am |
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Xiom V1 is 5.4mm thick, V1 Quad is 5.6mm thick.
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vvk1
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Nexy Calix is 5.0mm thick!
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the MJ is described incorrectly by many sources out there. it is 5W + 2C good one with the Xiom V1, i forgot about that blade. i have V1 Quad which is crazy thin for a 9 ply
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are these xiom blades atiff or flexy i wonder if they are TBS clones?
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Thanks again guys. Didn't expect that there are many blades thinner than 5.7mm, need to check them all online and visit the store.
@vvk1 I assume that it is the first Calix. Checked the site, they have Calix 2 but not that much info of weight, thickness and material. http://www.nexy.com/shop/step1.php?number=1321#good5 @silva7 confirmed, MJ is 7-ply. |
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Yeah the Nexy Calix.
My Xiom V1 and TB T5000 are both 5.5mm. My TB ZLF is 5.6mm. My YMLC is 5.3mm but 100g. It's not even that fast relative to its weight, and has crappy feel and crappy control. |
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stiga intensity carbon = about 5.6mm
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The "design note" on the Calix 2 page states that Calix 2 is 4.9 mm thick.
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729 f-1 ... awesome blade..
however as you go for thinner blades...if you use hard sponged rubber, opening loops may suffer. but of course counter loop and counter drives would be easier with thinner blades.
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I know both Nexy Calix and Calix 2 are looping blades designed to generate spin. I imagine them to be quite the weapon for composite lovers having used a Nexy Color for about a week now I can tell you that this guy knows how to make good blades.
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I have both Nexy Calix and Nexy Calix II, and they're probably the thinnest composite blades I know of. They both feature burnt mahogany outer plies (if I remember correctly), so this combined with the thinness, gives them a hard and fast speed, but with more flex and a more 'traditional wood feel' than the average composite blade.
For anyone that plays (or used to play) the thinner offensive blades (like older Stiga Offensive Woods, for example - that are in the 5mm-5.5mm range), and wants to try out a composite blade, I think the Calix's are a great choice.
Edited by Pondus - 08/15/2012 at 10:09am |
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Interesting. Why does this happen - flex bad for close to the table when paired with hard sponge?
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4ugustu
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Xiom V1 is 5mm (
http://tak9.com/mall.php?cat=006001000&query=view&no=3588)
Timo Boll ALC is 5.5 Timo Boll Spirit is 5.58 check tak9.com or nexy.com |
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Umm, according to
http://tak9.com/mall.php?cat=006001000&query=view&no=3588, Xiom V1 is "5.3~5.4 mm" thick ...
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Nittaku Noveliar, 5.8mm, G carbon with hinoki outers.
Any particular reason for the thinnest? |
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4ugustu
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sure?
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Imago
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sure
V1은 두께가 5.3~5.4mm로서 매우 얇고 감각적인 블레이드입니다.
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4ugustu
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this is a copy of the site xiom, the description given by the manufacturer, but is not always correct, the measurement made by tak9 the thickness is 5mm ... I trust the measurement made by the site, but if you trust the measurement made by the manufacturer, all right.
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Pondus
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In my experience, Calix is quite a bit thinner than Xiom V1... I have both blades, and the V1 I have is about 5.3mm, while the Calix is about 4.8mm.
I believe that on those graphics on Tak9 they've simply rounded the blades measurements either up or down to 5mm.
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vvk1
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Well, actually, I own both the Xiom V1 and Nexy Calix, and you can tell Calix is thinner that V1 even witout a ruler.
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Sorry for the double-post.
Edited by vvk1 - 08/15/2012 at 2:08pm |
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debraj
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what happens is to use the sponge the ball needs to penetrate it.... deform it. So you need good compression between the blade and the rubber. Now the flex blades exhert that pressure only after it has flexed much.... the pressure increases proportionally with the amount of deformation (shear strain). So only when you go for a full bodies shot then the rubber will get properly squeezed to produce a predictable lift. in short opening strokes that much of pressure(perpendicular component) is not generated. hence there is tendency of ball slippage ...going to net. makes any sense?
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The BTY TB ZLF should be about 5.4mm thick, and will weigh 80g - 83g. Specify exactly what you want with the distributor when you order. It's a great blade - I fully recommend it.
Edited by tabten5 - 08/15/2012 at 4:13pm |
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I see your point, thanks. I must add that it (difficulty in opening loops while using a thin blade & hard sponge) also depends on the type of equipment - I used R7 (sort of a hard sponge) and its high-ish throw helped in the opening loops (during which thin blades flex less).
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Found it hard to play with thick blade when both rubbers are MAX in thickness and I need a blade that flex more with the sweet spot and power of composite blade.
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