TIBHAR Evolution rubber FX-P, EL-P, MX-S, MX-P

EVO compared:

FX- P Red - MX-P Black


Edited by asvio - 01/10/2013 at 12:25pm

Tenegy 05 Red - MX-P Black

Today I'll try this combo on TB ALC

Anton Chigurh wrote: Until someone can conclusively demonstrate otherwise, I will continue to believe that this Evolution is an ESN product. It just looks way too similar.  I'm waiting for a "Made in Japan" marker somewhere on the rubber or package, or perhaps an official email from Tibhar stating the product is not outsourced to ESN and is indeed made in Japan, etc. Anyone...?

I looked on the th package and rubber and There is no made in japan, no made in germany, no made in china ....

asvio, can you photo juxtapose T05 and FX-P to see the exact difference?

Imago wrote: asvio, can you photo juxtapose T05 and FX-P to see the exact difference?

FX-P Red - Tenergy 05 Black

haggisv wrote: asvio wrote: I looked on the the package and rubber and There is no made in japan, no made in germany, no made in china .... Usually this means it's made in China but this certainly doesn't look like a Chinese sheet.

I think exactly the same

Edited by asvio - 01/11/2013 at 3:26am

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asvio wrote: haggisv wrote: asvio wrote: I looked on the the package and rubber and There is no made in japan, no made in germany, no made in china .... Usually this means it's made in China but this certainly doesn't look like a Chinese sheet. I think exactly the same

Cooperation:  Surface chemical FYF institute of Sweden & Sanwei

One dealer says it's made in Germany.

asvio wrote: tt-panopticum wrote: Anton Chigurh wrote: Until someone can conclusively demonstrate otherwise, I will continue to believe that this Evolution is an ESN product. It just looks way too similar.  I'm waiting for a "Made in Japan" marker somewhere on the rubber or package, or perhaps an official email from Tibhar stating the product is not outsourced to ESN and is indeed made in Japan, etc. Anyone...? Personally, I'm pretty sure it's ESN production - I'm also pretty sure (at least the one MX-P I've got three weeks ago) it's considerably factory tuned (TRF) - very typical smell. For whatever reason they tried everything to mimick a japanese production look - the outer transparent packaging however, I'm pretty sure runs through the same machine as all the ESN rubbers I've used in recent time. I can't compare to reported similarity to Bluefire, but it's a large step forward from Rhyzm IMO. All my personal oppinion only - and of course a large part is speculation only Best regards I hav not try any recent ESN product, but compare to tenergy i don't feel any tune in the sponge. When you touch a new tenergy you can feel something on the sponge. MX-P is totaly dry to my touch.

Hi,
I'm not saying recent ESN production is generally factory tuned - it's meant specifically for the Evo MX-P I got
a few weeks ago. There's this very typical smell of TRF-Belgium booster, also used by ESN for the
contract player versions of some brands (Joola for example calling it "select").

Obviously I don't know what Butterfly does to their Tenergy series  sponges and topsheets - but it seems to work pretty well - and definetely seems to be very different from "simple" boosters.
I did observe a certain progress as well - first Tenergy's I got sponges shrinked quite fast, normally when I took it off the blade after a few weeks one could see a reverse dome.
More recent Tenergy's don't have this behaviour - even after months it's perfectly flat or will still have a slight "correct" dome - and still feels quite "wobbly fresh"
Sorry for OT here....

Best

Got the rubber today. It has various japanese symbols all over the package. It's approved by the JTTA, but nowhere in the package is written "made in Japan" :D

Yesterday I called Tibhar marketing headquarter in Saarbrucken +49689893300 I aked them about where those evolution are made japanese ar german and their answer was:" We made table tennis materials all over the world so we can`t tell you the factory where evolution are made" I asked if the place it is a tibhar secret and they confirm they will not spread this information on the market.

adishorul wrote: Yesterday I called Tibhar marketing headquarter in Saarbrucken +49689893300 I aked them about where those evolution are made japanese ar german and their answer was:" We made table tennis materials all over the world so we can`t tell you the factory where evolution are made" I asked if the place it is a tibhar secret and they confirm they will not spread this information on the market.

I don't know if it is an ESN rubber but so far from my opinion it would be an Evolution from ESN rubbers 

Very much and too powerful to be handled with TB ZLF. And you have to engage the sponge in order to produce more spin. But still exceptional control for that fast a rubber.