|
|
|
What do you think of XIOM? |
Post Reply 
|
Page 12> |
| Author | ||
ckhirnigs113 
Super Member 
Joined: 09/23/2010 Location: Alabama Status: Offline Points: 327 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Topic: What do you think of XIOM?Posted: 02/12/2013 at 2:02pm |
|
|
Any more info on Vega Japan? It sounds interesting. Do we know anything about how hard the sponge is, or whether the topsheet is grippy or tacky?
Edited by ckhirnigs113 - 02/12/2013 at 2:02pm |
||
|
Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
||
 |
||
| Sponsored Links | ||
|
||
|
haggisv
Forum Moderator 
Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02/04/2013 at 8:32pm |
|
|
Which do you think are the most & least durable series?
|
||
|
||
|
ZApenholder
Premier Member 
Joined: 03/04/2012 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 4804 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02/03/2013 at 4:49am |
|
|
I just glued a Sigma II Euro for my forehand and I think it was too soft - kind of light too.
I had Sigma II Pro on my other CPen, i'm thinking of going Sigma II pro for FH and Sigma II Euro for BH or maybe Omega IV Euro for BH I tried Omega IV Elite on BH - it was indeed slower and more control, but was just too light (weight wise) for me. Edited by ZApenholder - 02/03/2013 at 5:08am |
||
|
||
|
alphapong
Silver Member 
Joined: 05/11/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 622 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02/03/2013 at 4:33am |
|
|
Well for starters I was not expecting too much from this rubber since it is part of the older Vega series. When it came in I hit a few balls with it and it felt very nice, so I gave it and the new Sigma 2 rubbers to one of our top juniors to try. I was surprised when he said he liked it a lot and chose it as his new forehand rubber. He used to play $80 on the forehand and $80 fx and the backhand and he is now playing Vega Japan forehand and Sigma II Europe on the backhand. Tonight I asked him “What if anything do you think you are giving up with the change in rubbers? Spin? Speed? Serve? Receive? “ His answer. “I don’t think I am giving anything up, and I prefer the Sigma II Europe over what I was using on my backhand before.” After our conversation he then proceeded to win $100 in our monthly tournament beating a 2600 player in the final. So I don’t think we can say his level has dropped much with the rubber change. I hit some with it briefly and found that the feel is more “Japanese”. It is medium hard, the response is very linear and it has less ”boing” than ESN rubbers usually have. It plays very controlled in the short game, but when you swing hard the speed come out. It reminded me a “little” of HPB, but a bit more lively. It is also very spinny. I have not yet seen the MSRP on this rubber, but based on the wholesale, I think it will be under $50. The manager of the US branch of Xiom told me he think it is destined to be their best seller. At that price point I would tend to agree. |
||
|
||
|
Rich215
Premier Member
Joined: 02/28/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3488 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02/02/2013 at 4:30pm |
|
|
I have been waiting to hear about Xiom Vega Japan. alphapong...what can you tell us about this rubber?
|
||
|
|
||
|
||
|
alphapong
Silver Member
Joined: 05/11/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 622 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02/02/2013 at 2:17pm |
|
|
Our top kid's have all switched to Xiom in the last couple months and are playing well. For blades our favorites are Offensive S, Aria Lite and Zi. These fit in the "controlled attack" offensive- to offensive range. I have been using the Aigis for chop, chop block and hit with my C7 and like it a LOT. The quality on all the blades is first rate. Our players that previously used Chinese rubber seem to prefer Omega IV Pro. It has less"boing" than typical ESN Tensors. Our players that were using Japanese and European rubbers seem to prefer the Sigma over Omega. The new Sigma II is being very well received and has more dwell time than Sigma I. We are finding all the rubbers much more durable than early ESN products. The surprise out of the new rubbers is Vega Japan. This one is VERY NICE. I don't know why they called this "Vega Japan". It is not the old Vega top sheet, and it's not Japanese sponge. Completely different. Our top junior (around USATT 2300) who previously used that $80 rubber on his forehand chose Vega Japan as his favorite Xiom forehand rubber and is playing well with it. (Disclosure - Xiom is sponsoring our junior program. But if our kid's were not able to play well with the product, they definitely would not use it.) |
||
|
||
|
haggisv
Forum Moderator
Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/29/2013 at 10:11pm |
|
|
My biggest grip with XIOM is probably that they discontinue their items a little too quickly. it's very annoying when you find something you like, and when you';re ready to buy another one it's no longer available!
It's even worse for rubbers,when they remove them from ITTF approval. Guillotine comes to mind, which was removed from the list soon after it was discontinued. I think they should leave them on the list at least for a few years, to support the customers that bought them. I like their products though, good quality stuff from what I've seen. |
||
|
||
|
signal02
Member 
Joined: 01/31/2012 Location: louisville Status: Offline Points: 76 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/29/2013 at 10:04pm |
|
|
clean up your mailbox. My pm bounced back. I was referring to the M2.
|
||
|
||
|
watchski
Super Member
Joined: 08/11/2012 Location: Alpharetta, GA Status: Offline Points: 185 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/29/2013 at 9:23am |
|
|
I am selling a Xiom Hayabusa Z+ which is a pretty cool blade.
|
||
|
Blades:
Ross Leidy (Nemesis) Ross Leidy (Canxan) Ross Leidy (Rapscallion) Infinity VPS Rubbers: Nittaku S-1 Tenergy 80FX 1.9mm |
||
|
||
|
beeray1
Premier Member
Joined: 07/03/2008 Location: Iowa Status: Offline Points: 5169 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/29/2013 at 1:14am |
|
|
I like their blades a lot. I own a Solo and an Offensive S. I was unlucky as the offensive S already chipped and I've only owned it a week and a half, but they are well finished. I think the FL handle is still better than, say, the FL handle on a Korbel or an Acoustic. They also have a better balance- even if the weight is higher. I've seen 3 offensive S blades, and everyone seemed to play identical, which speaks to the QC.
|
||
|
||
|
haggisv
Forum Moderator
Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/28/2013 at 10:39pm |
|
|
Yes you're right there... all Tensors are ESN (Tensor is a trademark owned by ESN), however not all ESN rubbers are Tensors... they have many non-tensor rubbers, and it sounds like Musa is one of those.
I'm not sure if Anton was thinking of the same one, or another new one that's not yet available. |
||
|
||
|
cool_natja
Super Member
Joined: 08/06/2009 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/28/2013 at 9:40pm |
|
|
Oops, sorry ... to my knowledge Tensor rubbers do associate with ESN.
Edited by cool_natja - 01/28/2013 at 9:58pm |
||
|
"Nothing replaces training" - Stellan Bengtsson
|
||
|
||
|
haggisv
Forum Moderator
Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/28/2013 at 9:11pm |
|
|
That's made in Germany, so I expect it's still an ESN rubber, just not a Tensor.
|
||
|
||
|
cool_natja
Super Member
Joined: 08/06/2009 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/28/2013 at 8:57pm |
|
Xiom Musa I. http://www.tenismasa.ro/new-xiom-musa/443.htm Edited by cool_natja - 01/28/2013 at 9:05pm |
||
|
"Nothing replaces training" - Stellan Bengtsson
|
||
|
||
|
haggisv
Forum Moderator
Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/28/2013 at 7:09pm |
|
Any idea which one that is? |
||
|
||
|
MartynLJ
Member
Joined: 01/28/2013 Location: CHESTER Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/28/2013 at 1:25pm |
|
|
I use Tibhar Genius (F/H) and Yasaka Phantom 007 on Max Friendship sponge (B/H). playing an attacking and blocking/counter-attacking game on B/H and topspin/very spinny fast loop-drive game on F/H I have 4 blades (all with straight handles): Xiom Stradivarius - as compared to the Xiom, the handles on the following are: Taico 200 - Very slightly narrower and almost identical in thickness Tibhar Samsonov Techno-Power - Slightly narrower and very slightly thicker Joola Wing Passion Fast - Very slightly narrower and almost identical in thickness  I'm confused, unless all four of the above blades are much thinner than average (and I can't recall thinking the Taico - the oldest above blade - was noticeably thinner than my previous blade, a Butterfly Kenny ) then I would say the Xiom is close to the norm (and my hands are average in size, at least). However, the Xiom is recently purchased; maybe they have changed the handles.As far as the playing characteristics of the Xiom are concerned, it is: - Well made. - Probably Offensive minus --> Offensive in speed. - Lacking a little, as compared to the Taico and Joola, in touch/feeling (this could be because of the carbon/aramid layer) so lacking a little in control - Despite above, good for heavy topspin close to and away from the table and for counter hitting and flat hitting on my F/H. - Very consistent in playing strokes (again, probably down to the carbon/aramid layer) |
||
|
||
|
fattchoi
Silver Member
Joined: 05/08/2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 521 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 6:51pm |
|
|
I currently own and play with the Xiom Axelo and Zetro Quad blades. Comments above about the thin handles are quite true. I fix that by putting on a grip tape and they now fit perfectly in my hand.
Axelo as anyone here has used it would attest to it being a fast blade. I have the M1 and Dtecs OX on it. Initially, for the first hour or so, it was a wild beast. Once 'tamed', this bat well and truly feels good in my hand. I believe it is my best bat ever. I just love the feel of the ball on the DTecs and that FH with M1 smash is almost unreturnable. As for the Zetro Quad, I have the T05 and DTecs OX on it. With this combination, it is a really nice looping bat on the FH and great chop/block on the BH. However, after having used the Axelo and gotten used to it, I find the ZQ 'slow'. But a few of my friends who tried it thinks it is fast. AND, I have been able to beat a couple of players with this bat that I have never been able to beat before. But I must admit, I feel more confident wielding the Axelo even though I have slightly better result with this bat. Probably because I played with the Axelo much longer and therefore got used to it more. In any case, visually, both blades are beauties. They look of really high quality. I personally could not be happier. If I had to buy a back up blade, I will certainly go for the Axelo.
|
||
|
Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club
|
||
|
||
|
assiduous
Platinum Member 
Joined: 05/01/2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2521 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 3:06pm |
|
absolutely not. All xiom rubbers have a unique sponge feel. To contrast it with the touch that Tenergy or Tenzone or Rhyzm have, those three feel like the topsheet and the sponge is one homogenous material that feels like soft elastic rubber. The XIOM rubbers feel different, i feel the sponge more than the topsheet and if feels not rubber-like but kitchen sponge like. I am not criticizing them in any way though, it is really a matter of personal preference. The highest player in our club, a 2350, uses Sigma and his style is beatutiful looping, so i know the rubber is good enough for sure. Many other good players use it too. It is just a personal preference. I gave up on koto outer layers as well. Don't like. I know all top pros use Koto for outer plies because it has better control than limba, but I am addicted to limba and can't help it. May be if i crack 2000 one day i won't need the dwell time of limba any more and can move to Koto. And Xiom, who knows :)
|
||
|
puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
|
||
|
||
|
stefashka
Silver Member
Joined: 11/22/2010 Location: Moldova Status: Offline Points: 588 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 12:39pm |
|
The list can be significantly extended. All Xiom blades I tried are top notch. Beside Zetro Quad and Strad I currently use, I speak about Extreme S, Ignito and Strato. Tau is very good and quite close resembles Chinese rubbers at their best, Musa is a great BH rubber, Zava short pips are actually very nice to play with. My son uses Xiom backpack and I see how comfortable and stylish it is. So, if Xiom will continue doing what they are doing now and keep their prices reasonable, they indeed should have bright future
 |
||
|
Darker 7P-2A CP - Dignics 09c, TSP Curl P3α
|
||
|
||
|
Skyline
Premier Member
Joined: 07/01/2007 Status: Offline Points: 3864 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 10:36am |
|
|
Xiom rubbers are very good. My favorites are Xiom Omega IV Asia and Omega Europa. Like Kolev said they feel different from other ESN rubbers. They are more durable and feel more japanese.
|
||
|
||
|
SmackDAT
Platinum Member
Joined: 01/01/2012 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2231 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 10:34am |
|
|
I think the future is good for Xiom. One thing they need to do is to stop manufacturing Omega 3- and only offer modern rubbers to the general public. They need to stick to what they're good at, super fast ESN rubbers, not SP's and only LP's once they have the experience. My advice to Xiom is to keep making new rubbers, and stop manufacturing old rubbers, since that way, Xiom has already caught up with Butterfly. The problem is that not ALL of their products are of Butterfly quality, only some notable ones, Hayabusa, Strad and Omega/Vega/Sigma series.
|
||
|
||
|
Kolev
Gold Member 
Joined: 10/04/2004 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1529 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 10:16am |
|
|
I like very much the Sigma rubbers. I use Sigma I and II Pro and can't be happier. Recently I tried Sigma I Euro and I am even more impressed. I don't agree that they are the same as the rest ESN rubbers(e.g. Bluefire M1,1Q,5Q)Very different actually with more Japanese feel than the typical ESN
|
||
|
Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3)
FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
||
|
||
|
watchski
Super Member
Joined: 08/11/2012 Location: Alpharetta, GA Status: Offline Points: 185 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 10:01am |
|
|
Interesting. It makes me not like it quite as much. I agree. it wouldn't be as successful if it was still the "old champion" brand. Marketers are smart.
|
||
|
Blades:
Ross Leidy (Nemesis) Ross Leidy (Canxan) Ross Leidy (Rapscallion) Infinity VPS Rubbers: Nittaku S-1 Tenergy 80FX 1.9mm |
||
|
||
|
Lestat
Super Member
Joined: 01/16/2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 421 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 9:42am |
|
|
For what it's worth, Xiom is the incarnation of the old Champion brand. Around 2004 they decided they want to penetrate the high end table tennis equipment market and as it stands, it's much harder to convince people your old dusty Champion is the new high-end Champion - hence the name change. Not that it matters at our end, just an interesting fact.
|
||
|
||
|
watchski
Super Member
Joined: 08/11/2012 Location: Alpharetta, GA Status: Offline Points: 185 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 9:16am |
|
|
Its hard to beat the Hayabusa Series. There is a lot of thread's on that blade. I am selling one here.. (in the FS Section). but check out the gorgeous craftmanship.
I believe Xiom makes amazing blades.
Xiom Hayabusa Z+ Here are the pictures: https://plus.google.com/photos/111938578827382898143/albums/5837978487237598833?authkey=CN2J2LXs64qfjwEThe Hayabusa Z+ is a world-class light weight racquet made of 5 plies of exquisite hard wood and 2 plies mico-thin Zephylium polymer layers. Superb drive offense with a sharper feel! New Power-Blade. The Hayabusa Z+ is designed to perform at the highest level. Made from the perfect balance of pristine hardwood, combined with two perfectly placed ultra thin layers of Zepheylium carbon polymer mesh, the Hyabusa Z+ is a high performance blade engineered to perfection. The Hayabusa Z+ produces a sharp feel upon ball contact coupled with flexibility to create outstanding spin and drive. The result a unique outstanding extra ball force, leveraged spin and sufficient ball feel. Layers: Hard Wood 5 Carbon 2 Blade Type: Offensive Thickness: 5.7 mm Weight: 86.5 grams Xiom is proud to present its new HAYABUSA models. After years of research and painstaking manufacturing and empirical testing, the engineers at Xiom have unleashed the next generation of wood blades, designed to perform for you at the highest level. The groundbreaking construction and unprecedented vibration mechanism define these racquets. Superbly engineered by combining the best hardwoods layers with the perfect mix of Zephyllian carbon mesh polymer make these blades the best produced on the planet today! |
||
|
Blades:
Ross Leidy (Nemesis) Ross Leidy (Canxan) Ross Leidy (Rapscallion) Infinity VPS Rubbers: Nittaku S-1 Tenergy 80FX 1.9mm |
||
|
||
|
Imago
Premier Member
Joined: 07/19/2009 Location: Sofia Status: Offline Points: 5897 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 8:55am |
|
|
Most of the other soft ESN rubbers are just popcorns.
|
||
|
||
|
haggisv
Forum Moderator
Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 6:54am |
|
SO you don't get this 'sponge' feel with other ESN rubbers? |
||
|
||
|
assiduous
Platinum Member
Joined: 05/01/2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2521 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 5:23am |
|
|
I recently sold my last XIOM rubber and gave up on them and not buying any more. Vega, Omaga, Sigma, ... euro, pro, asia.. they all have this sponge feel on contact that i find very unpleasant. Like they used a kitchen sponge.
The blades are really pretty and good deal at their price points but if you are looking for the best you have to go to Bty anyway.
|
||
|
puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
|
||
|
||
|
yogi_bear
Forum Moderator
Joined: 11/25/2004 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 7219 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 5:12am |
|
|
the older xiom blades such as the aria and amadeus are my favorites. too bad they dont make these blades anymore
|
||
|
Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS
ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
||
|
||
|
silva7
Silver Member
Joined: 03/14/2012 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 693 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01/27/2013 at 5:04am |
|
|
i like the Zetro Quad and V1 Quad blades, the Hinoki Carbon are too fast like the Schlager Carbon.
agree about the rubbers, good price for performance. I still prefer my Nittaku Wooden blades
|
||
|
RSM Special Platinum T64
|
||
|
||
|
Post Reply
|
Page 12> |
Tweet
|
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd. |
Topic Options
haggisv wrote: