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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If there is a limit on the total thickness of the paddle, with 1-ply Hinoki blade being 9 to 10 mm thick, one has to be careful to choose rubber/sponge's thickness in order to stay within the limit.


To my knowledge, there is no such limit. Your blade can be as thick or big as you like, however, making it to big might become a problem as most rubbers sheets aren't that much bigger then a "regular" paddle.
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Yes there is no limit on total thickness... my own blade is 17mmm thick, and that's without rubbers!Big smile

One issue is that the handles become thicker too, which you may or may not like. Weight is an issue too, so unless it's a really light wood, most blades would become too heavy.
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Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If there is a limit on the total thickness of the paddle, with 1-ply Hinoki blade being 9 to 10 mm thick, one has to be careful to choose rubber/sponge's thickness in order to stay within the limit.


To my knowledge, there is no such limit. Your blade can be as thick or big as you like, however, making it to big might become a problem as most rubbers sheets aren't that much bigger then a "regular" paddle.
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You may very well be right. 
I saw some videos (ITTF sanctioned events), the umpires were using some kind of gadget to measure player's paddle's thickness.  (Many of you must have seen that also.)
 
*** So they measure the paddle's thickness, but they can not reject the paddle from the measurement.


Edited by skip3119 - 03/20/2013 at 9:56pm
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single ply hinoki is amazing for JPen, great touch, feel and power when you need it, the reason for the cost is that i guess because the Hinoki they use is old and selected carefully and also the demand for high quality hinoki, also less sinlge ply hinoki blades are sold when you compare with 5ply etc.  . i have a Xiom Athen Platinum RSM Special T64, what a blade to play with, also have Cypress-S with Spinart. 
when i used Single ply for shake hand, it did not go well. too thick and not good for my BH flick. i am not entirely sure what it is but it just did not feel right for me.
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I am currently experimenting the Xiom Axelo because I am out of a shoulder injury and I want to put the ball away without going 100%. It looks like I do best with it killing or gently redirecting with in mind a kill next shot; nothing in between. The pushing game is of course awful. I place the 1-ply hinoki blades in the same category no matter the grip: we kill the ball or we redirect it; above all we avoid pushes. 1-ply fast soft blades will work that way but that's not necessarily the way a player learnt to play starting with a sh/5ply all wood grip. It's all about balance (her again! Wink) between what's best to do with the blade we choose and what's the best blade for what we really want to do. LOL

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If there is a limit on the total thickness of the paddle, with 1-ply Hinoki blade being 9 to 10 mm thick, one has to be careful to choose rubber/sponge's thickness in order to stay within the limit.


To my knowledge, there is no such limit. Your blade can be as thick or big as you like, however, making it to big might become a problem as most rubbers sheets aren't that much bigger then a "regular" paddle.
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You may very well be right. 
I saw some videos (ITTF sanctioned events), the umpires were using some kind of gadget to measure player's paddle's thickness.  (Many of you must have seen that also.)
 
*** So they measure the paddle's thickness, but they can not reject the paddle from the measurement.


Actually, they just mearure the thickness of the coverings (rubbers), which must be no more than 4 mm each. To my knowledge, there is no limit to the thickness of the blade.

Nittaku Miyabi is a reasonably priced 9mm Kiso Hinoki blade, however it is shakehand FL only.

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:


You may very well be right. 

I saw some videos (ITTF sanctioned events), the umpires were using some kind of gadget to measure player's paddle's thickness.  (Many of you must have seen that also.)

 

*** So they measure the paddle's thickness, but they can not reject the paddle from the measurement.


The gadget they use is to measure the rubbers thickness and to see that the surface is flat/even.
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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

I couldn´t agree more. I have a Speed 90 shakehand and it is very fun to play, very fast and soft. But for some reason I can´t win with it. When I go back to carbon blade, or even to slower Hurricane Hao, my results improve a lot. 
I would compare single-ply shakehand blades to the Mini Coopers. There´s no car that brings more fun to drive but you can´t win any race with it.


Ummm, tell that to Ryu Seung Min, Kim Taek Soo, and many more 1 ply Jpens champs? LOL
You should learn to read. I´m talking about single-ply shakehand blades.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

I couldn´t agree more. I have a Speed 90 shakehand and it is very fun to play, very fast and soft. But for some reason I can´t win with it. When I go back to carbon blade, or even to slower Hurricane Hao, my results improve a lot. 
I would compare single-ply shakehand blades to the Mini Coopers. There´s no car that brings more fun to drive but you can´t win any race with it.


Ummm, tell that to Ryu Seung Min, Kim Taek Soo, and many more 1 ply Jpens champs? LOL
You should learn to read. I´m talking about single-ply shakehand blades.

 Notice I SAID JPENS champs as opposed to your comment about shakehand and the LOL icon. Stop being so serious.
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Saw a picture of a 1-ply Hinoki (on this website, but not this thread), left-side is much darker than the right side.  Can that happen with one piece of wood?  (Or, may be two pieces of wood glued together?)
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Update (revised):  My guess is that it can happen with one piece of wood.


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Too much tension in this thread, here's some Kokutaku Jpens for your viewing pleasure Smile

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@eves,
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I repost your pics. just to soothe some poor angry souls here...


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thanks tiehwen, ya in and out of hibernation. Big smile
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Poor angry soul >> poor two faced-scumbag-wanna be forum police-no life, soul Big smile LOL

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