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Tuned H3 Neo or Tenergy for USATT 2000 |
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ashishsharmaait
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Posted: 04/06/2013 at 2:44am |
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Hi,
I play with a Hayabusa Zxi (earlier I was playing with a Yinhe Venus V1) with Xiom Sigma I Pro on FH and Xiom Sigma Euro on BH. Over the last year I have moved away from a medium rubber on FH (Acuda S2) to a medium-hard rubber (Sigma I Pro). This has allowed me to change the pace of the ball and hit tighter angles and my rating has gone up from around 1600 to ~2000 (there was some practice involved too). Although I am sure that my current equipment can take me to 2200+ levels without changing I've been playing with the same equipment for more than a year now and want to try a harder FH rubber. I loop a lot from both wings and hit through the ball when I can (on a week push I would power loop and hit through rather than brush more). From the BH I can open the ball comfortably and my BH flick is stable and reliable. Also, I am very happy with my BH rubber. I have played earlier with chinese rubbers like Friendship 729, Sanwei T88, Target, etc but have never had the opportunity to try boosted rubbers. I am getting 2 Tenergy 05 from a friend (as a gift) and was considering whether I should use them or trade them in for H3 Neo(s) 40 Degrees and some Falco Tempo Long Term Booster. As I said I am developing my game to hit through the ball with an open racket face rather than always brush it especially at near mid and mid distance. So should I keep the Tenergies of trade them in for H3 Neo and the booster. Thanks |
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emihet
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with the style you are trying to develop the H3 is a better choice...but jumping from sigma pro to tenergy is easier then if you were to go to a sticky tuned chinese rubber.
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bluebucket
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I'll tell you now there are 50 2200 lever players using t05 for every one using h3. Not saying h3 can't get you there just as well but its in no way the usual choice
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Tinykin
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H3 is basically for EJ and poor people.
Buy Tenergy if you can afford it.
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Jerem
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Anyway, Tenergies are for lazy people :) And Hurriacne 3 National cost more than any T.
Play with one that works for you. T and H3 are both great rubbers. Edited by Jerem - 04/06/2013 at 9:49am |
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thats why all the CNT members use H3(or skylines) on their forehands because using tenergy not just on the backhand side would be beyond their budget. |
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ashishsharmaait
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On a serious note.
Can someone compare them in terms of opening loops for half long and long pushes. I understand that H3 will provide better touch over the table and in serves, but how is it compared for flipping? Can I hit through the ball like with a hard tensor witout worrying about the tack? Thanks |
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bluebucket
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Tenergy is better at all the above, the only one place a dhs rubber is better is at full power when held by a strong player hitting a loop drive. Other than control thats the only advantage to dhs. Luckily thats the nost important stroke. If you have the choice to afford either and learn either. Go for tenergy everytime. Im saying that from the perpective of someone that doesnt use tenergy but its obviousloverall superior. The only time id say dont go near tenergy if you are a lower level player under 1800 or so, if thats the case use mark v
Edited by bluebucket - 04/06/2013 at 12:41pm |
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Saying the CNT use those rubbers is like saying NASCARs are the same as road cars
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BH-Man
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Sell the Tenergeys for a date or two with the entire squad of Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. My coach recently got her a Hayabusa and uses your Sigma I Euro on BH. She blocks everything as she should, since she was a high ranked defender back in the day. She handed me her coaching bat and I had a hit with it. Man Sigma Euro on that blade was a dream of speed and spin on my kind of hard impact. wierd as i like hard rubbers on FH. I got more spin using that bat than I got out of Evolution EX-P on my M. Maze. I got a sheet of Sigma I for the Maze and it doesn't play near as sweet as it does on the Hayabusa. I think you got a great setup if you are the player who can hit hard, have a fast blade at impact, and like to spin the crap outta the ball. Changing to Tenergy will not give you a 100-200 point boost from your current 2000ish level. Both of your rubbers are just fine for what you describe. Sigma rewards direct impact using very fast bat speed at impact with a ball that moves out every bit as fast and low as Calibra LT, but with more spin and control.
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One of our KFTTC aces has been using regular unglued H3 on FH on an average wood OFF blade and does not play a power hit through maniac kind of game, but rather a sidespin, touch, and countering game. He is 2300 level player right now here in Korea. H3 worked for him, but he can use T05 with the same kind of game sucessfully.
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NextLevel
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The one thing I will say about Tenergy is that if you spin the ball all the time, it rewards like no other rubber because you can spin harder and harder and it will still leave you room to spin harder.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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bluebucket
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No one said you can't make 2300 with unboosted H3 or even 2500, doesn't mean its overall as good a rubber as t05. If you are starting on grippy rubbers you were better off staying with them. I agree with your post about staying with his current rubber I just don't think its advisable to move to something h3 unless you were practically born with it and thats now your natural game because its definitely an equipment disadvantage no matter which way you look at it. If you are born with it you can develop a style advantage maybe |
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Bluebucket is simply pointing out what most people already know - if you got good with Chinese rubbers and play at a 2000 level, stick with them. Same for European rubbers.
The one thing I will say is that H3 national plays like an Euro rubber - very soft as I remember it and doesn't have the lengthy durability of the neos etc.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Raden
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I bought a blade with a boosted Haifu Whale III and it is unbelievable. I put a T05 boosted with Falco (from TT11) on the other side and it's no contest, the Whale blows it away. The guy I bought the blade from said he used Seamoon on the Whale.
I tried the Falco on a DHS Provincial and i thought it was way less lively than the T05 and certainly the whale. btw, I don't know why the Sigma Euro doesn't get more love here relative to the Bluefires and EVolutions |
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