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dr_stalker
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I've played both on the same blade and I found that Omega V Tour is definetely harder than Omega V Pro. first of all because of topsheet hardness, but sponge is harder too.
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ckhirnigs113
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I'm thinking about trying Omega V Tour, but I'm wondering if anyone has tried chopping with it on the forehand side of a defensive blade. I am currently having success doing that with Vega Japan on my Defplay Senso, so I don't want to lose that ability.
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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riker71
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I'm using it 2.0 on the FH side, Tibhar Stratus Power Defense blade. I'm not a defender but Chopping is easy for me so you should find it fine. I'm also using it in Max on FH of Main blade-Tibhar Stratus Power Wood with V Pro on the BH 2.0. I find the sponge hardness comparison negligible. Both are medium firm. V Pro offers excellent Allround ability, perhaps the topsheet of V Pro is slightly softer. I still prefer OIV Pro for smash, block and power looping but the V Tour has better spin, better slow to medium loop and better control, Allround game is better so I'm sticking with it. I feel it may be even better on a harder blade like ALC, Samsonov Stratus Carbon or similar
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ckhirnigs113
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riker71, I appreciate all the detailed info. I think I now just have to decide between the Omega V Tour and Pro in 2.0mm. It sounds like both may offer the allround qualities I need for my game. Decisions, decisions...
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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ckhirnigs113
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Still looking for anybody that has used Vega Japan as well as either Omega V Tour or Omega V Pro. I may just buy another sheet of VJ since I know I like that.
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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debraj
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i used vj and ovt ...but didn't chop. :"( ...
only on off/off- blade |
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ckhirnigs113
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I'd still be interested to hear which you preferred. Vega Japan seems to represent the better value for the money, but if OVT is superior I don't mind paying the extra few dollars.
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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ckhirnigs113
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I don't chop exclusively on my forehand of course, but I do like to have the option. So far VJ has at least made that shot very possible. The difference in offensive capabilities between VJ and OVT or OVP also interests me.
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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debraj
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vj is faster feels softer than ovt ...
ovt is tad more spinny....not by much, exceptionally controlled short game... almost like chinese tacky rubbers. both feels nice firm secured kinda feeling in strokes. |
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ckhirnigs113
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That sounds like it might be an even better rubber for my modern defensive game if it offers similar offensive capabilities but more control. I have read that people find Omega V Pro a little softer feeling than Omega V Tour, so Vega Japan may be very similar to OV Pro.
Edited by ckhirnigs113 - 02/24/2014 at 11:36am |
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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seguso
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Hi guys, a question: which Omega V is closer to T64? I am considering it for bh. I need medium-hard sponge and medium-soft topsheet. Thanks
PS: I tried vega japan 2.0 but it feels a bit too hard for my bh. Probably in the topsheet. Aurus is closer to what I want, but the topsheet is still a tiny bit too hard. Edited by seguso - 04/23/2014 at 5:18am |
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riker71
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V Pro topsheet is slightly softer than V Tour, both sponges are harder then Vega Japan so probably not what you want if Japan too hard.
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Stratus Powerwood
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ckhirnigs113
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I have Vega Japan and Omega V Tour at the moment, and OVT definitely feels harder that VJ. I think the topsheet and sponge are probably a bit harder on OVT. From reports I've read, OV Pro may be more similar to VJ in feel, but I still think you should look elsewhere if you want something that is softer than VJ.
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Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
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Hans Regenkurt
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OVT is definitely not your pick then, I don't know the rest of this line.
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seguso
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Thank you guys, I think I'll play safe and go for t64 then. Unless I like EL-p, which i will borrow today.
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seguso
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At any rate, does someone know the sponge hardness of OVT tour and Pro? Is it 45 or 47.5?
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slevin
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47.5
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seguso
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Thank you! Do you also happen to know the hardness of el-p and t64? |
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slevin
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T64 sponge is the same as that of T05 (45 deg) but topsheet feels quite a bit softer in play. Haven't tried EL-P but I know that (1) it's topsheet is different from that of MX-P & (2) it is reportedly softer than M2.
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ttping85
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Omega V is definitely not a good pick to replace a T64. EL-P is very close to T64 amongst tensor rubbers.
If you want to try Xiom you can try the Sigma II Europe. It's overall harder than T64 because of the harder sponge but the topsheet is quite soft.
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LUCKYLOOP
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I changed from Ten 64 to Xiom Sigma Pro 2 on my BH. The Sig Pro 2 sponge is over 50 in hardness. I have more control in the short game and service return. Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 04/23/2014 at 1:44pm |
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Have you tried T80 for BH...? Sounds like what you are looking for... |
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A month ago, after playing for more than a year with Evolution MX-P 2.0 on OSP Virtuoso off -, the EJ bug had gotten the better of me, and I decided to try Omega V Tour 2.0 instead on the same blade, and here is my take on it. Omega V Tour is indeed quite hard. In fact, I'd dare say it feels harder than MX-P. It is a very nice rubber for short game and for counter-topspin play, probably as good or maybe even somewhat better. Playing from mid-distance is pretty effortless. However, there is one area where MX-P beats Omega V Tour hands down - opening loop against underspin, at least for me. With MX-P on Virtuoso, I can quite reliably do a fast drive loop, slow brush loop or a fake no-spin slow loop against underspin. The resulting medium-high arc is very nice. However, the arc produced by Omega V Tour is much lower as compared to MX-P, and the percentage of netted balls was just too high. I have tried adjusting the bat angle, swinging faster, trying to engage the sponge more, etc but could not get the opening loop against underspin to be as reliable as it was with MX-P. So, I am going back to MX-P ... (or maybe I'll try the new 5Q VIP :-) ). |
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Tried Omega V Pro for the first time tonight, fh. It seemed like an absolute monster to me. Medium high arc, absolutely loads of spin. Loads. A bit reactive to spin at high impact speeds (or high incoming rotation), but really dangerous. Ridiculous quality for the price.
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AndySmith
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Just received Omega V Euro. To my eye, the pips look bigger than on the OV Pro. Maybe this is the same topsheet as Tour? Xiom describes the sponge as Medium Hard, and it doesn't feel a lot softer than the OV Pro sponge, so I'd guess it's 45deg.
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Cool! Where did you buy it from? Tt11 does not seem to carry it yet. I was just about to order a consignment of rubbers (no Tenergy ). O5T 2.0 on the FH. Will wait for your O5P vs O5E comparisons to choose for the BH.
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it's not bad but feels very heavy |
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AndySmith
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I got them from http://www.tt-sport.de/ . Couldn't wait for the other stores to catch up. edit - I got them from tt-sport's eBay shop, which seems a bit cheaper.
Yeah, it is heavy. That's normal with most current hard-sponged tensors though these days. With Tinarc 5 being even heavier, we could be in for some super heavy rubbers in the near future. Edited by AndySmith - 07/01/2014 at 10:50am |
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AndySmith
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Had a league match last night, so I went in with my two JREs setup like this:
T80-FX - JRE - OV Euro OV Euro - JRE - OV Pro It was really humid in the venue last night. Hot air. Floaty balls. Our table is pretty fast anyway, so everyone was hitting long a lot. With the Euros and 80-fx being brand new as well, I can't say much for sure yet. Not a great environment for evaluating rubber. The Euro/Pro setup did tell me a fair bit about how Euro compares though. Euro is pretty fast, has a noticeably lower throw than Pro. Definitely has a bouncier feel. I'm not sure about spin yet. It was a lot easier to spin up with Pro. One of my main shots is lifting short backspin over the table with my BH, and I struggled with Euro here. I dumped a lot low down into the net - I couldn't work it out last night at all. Could be slippage due to humidity, rubber needs breaking in (OV Pro needed an hour or so of use too, IIRC), or I just need more time to get used to it (most likely). I switched to the other bat after the first match. 80-fx on BH, OV Euro on FH. This worked much better for me. Euro was really, really easy to use on the FH side. Arc was lower than Pro, but speed and spin were good. It seemed less jumpy than Pro in the short game, so I suspect it's less spin sensitive. I didn't get the really high quality spin of Pro though, so I was noticeably less threatening. My first impressions are that Euro makes an excellent medium sponged rubber for general purpose play. Excels in driving, blocking, hitting, easy short game. Maybe lacks some edge in looping, but I really think I need more time at the table to be sure. Also, I suspect it needs a bit more break-in time. I'll give it a proper blast on Monday night. |
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pdotec
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My Omega V, took a few weeks to break in .....(spinwise) ...finding it susceptible to humidity also
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