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    Posted: 07/03/2013 at 1:12pm
What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber without any type of boosting ?
 
What is the fastest super tacky inverted rubber with oil boosting ?
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old topsheet tg2 or old topsheet h3 with boosting

without.. maybe 729-08 es  729-05( but really only with initial tack it wears off fairly quick


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Tsp used to have one. Yasaka do. Both may be extinct.

729 god favored was one.

The double fish a1 isn't too bad. I'm not sure what if any of the former are still around.
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without boosting i guess palio thors or xiom tau would be your best choices
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Xiom Tau, Palio Thor's(as mentioned above, got it myself. Pretty darn fast for a tacky rubber), Juic 999 Turbo is suppose to be pretty good aswell. Read that Haggisv himself was fond of it. 

Basicly anything with tension in it with a "chinese" topsheet is faster than the Hurricane/Skyline series at low gear, but should be about the same at higher gears.
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Xiom Tau. Simple answer.
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Among my super tackiest the fastest are H2 Neo, RITC Tacky Speed 2000 MRS, TG3 Neo.......
Among my tacky ones-999 EN,Thors, 999EU, Higher I......
Anyway tack and speed for me are quite contradictory qualities
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tau cant be considered tacky.. its a chinese imitation rubber made easy for the normal person
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Originally posted by decoi decoi wrote:

tau cant be considered tacky.. its a chinese imitation rubber made easy for the normal person


That's completely wrong. Tau is a tacky Chinese style rubber. Just as tacky as H3 neo and I doubt anyone is going to claim that H3 Neo is not a tacky Chinese rubber.
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really dont think its as tacky as h3 , even neo. im not saying its a bad rubber. im just saying its its more of a take at Chinese rubbers IMO they did a better job with vega china. you can actually feel the similarity there.. where as with Tau its more of a hybrid nether here or there
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I agree topsheet tau IS a tacky chinese style one. But the sponge cant be considered chinese, and does not react to booster like chinese does. I think tau sponge is a hard ESN sponge, but i could be mistaken
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Since you didn't mention Chinese, thors tau and Vega China are the fastest, thors probably the fastest of all, none of these are super tacky. Its much faster than any Chinese tacky rubber. The fastest Chinese made tacky rubber is probably still the original red diamond which isn't super tacky either, all above have similar tack to the modern dhs rubbers

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Originally posted by decoi decoi wrote:

really dont think its as tacky as h3 , even neo. im not saying its a bad rubber. im just saying its its more of a take at Chinese rubbers IMO they did a better job with vega china. you can actually feel the similarity there.. where as with Tau its more of a hybrid nether here or there


I disagree completely again.

I think we should just agree to disagree.
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my thoughts exactly
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H3 Neo isn't as tacky as H3.  Neither is close to as tacky as my original Apollo.  I doubt any rubber is as tacky as my first Apollo from about 3 years ago but my second sheet of Apollo was that tacky and a real disappointment.

Tackiness slows down the rubber.  The force that holds the ball to the rubber must be over come and it subtracts from the force that accelerates the ball.

 
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fast and tacky is just a bad idea
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

fast and tacky is just a bad idea
 
In proper context, what is the fastest of the super tacky rubbers ?
 
Some are faster than others !
 
 
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:

Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

fast and tacky is just a bad idea
 
In proper context, what is the fastest of the super tacky rubbers ?
 
Some are faster than others !
 
 


in that case probably TG3 old topsheet if we are talking unboosted

if we are boosting then its a close one between any of the Hurricane/skyline family and old topsheet is a must the new ones just dont feel right
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Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

fast and tacky is just a bad idea
 
Fast and Tacky is not a bad idea at all. It is just hard to do with the current regulations. If it still existed probably Transcend SP or even some Wang Nan would probably be quick enough with some booster. It might even still be on my bat too.
It is all relative really. No Tacky Chinese rubber is going to be considered quick when compared to other quick rubbers on the market and as soon as you mention 'super tacky' then you are going to struggle to find anything with real speed.
 
 
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Lets get something straight. TG3 is not super tacky and Red Diamond is MUCH faster than TG3, either unboosted or boosted, boosted Red Diamond is probably the fastest rubber on Earth, it's highly reactive to tuner, even baby oil. PF4 is super tacky as is apollo, geo spin tacky, three nine. etc. None of the super tacky rubbers are fast
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"You will be more than lucky to get 2,0 mm version."
 
I found PF4 2.0, 1.8 and 1.6 at tt11 and Japsco. I bought the 1.6 from tt11. The weight of this sheet per unit area is a little less than H2 [edit: non-NEO] 2.2.
 


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My 2 cents....

Tau is def tacky chinese style TOPSHEET. If Hurricane 3 Neo was on Steroids it would be Tau. Similar throw and strokes with only minor adjustment required. I find Vega China Black to be Tackier than the red. Ive played extensively with Vega China. It is a good rubber. It is not super fast. I actually found it to be on the slow side, unless you stick on a super fast off++ blade. On Xiom Aigis (all+) I found Vega China to be to way to slow. On Xiom Strato (off++) Vega China felt great while most other rubbers were way to fast for my taste. Xiom Strato is a beast in the speed category. H3 Neo feels pretty good Aigis (all+). Not superfast, but its fast enough. H3 PROVINCIAL boosted with SEAMOON, I've tried this only on Xiom Aria(off +) It felt great with excellent speed and spin.

In my opinion the speed China < H3 NEO < Tau = H3 Provincial boosted with Seamoon.


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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

Lets get something straight. TG3 is not super tacky and Red Diamond is MUCH faster than TG3, either unboosted or boosted, boosted Red Diamond is probably the fastest rubber on Earth, it's highly reactive to tuner, even baby oil. PF4 is super tacky as is apollo, geo spin tacky, three nine. etc. None of the super tacky rubbers are fast
 
Does anyone agree Red Diamond is arguably the fastest boosted ?
 
How about Friendship SST Pro Team boosted or not boosted ? 
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well tau is certainly fast.. 

just for those that care one of the ex provincial players i know says its garbage. 
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

Lets get something straight. TG3 is not super tacky and Red Diamond is MUCH faster than TG3, either unboosted or boosted, boosted Red Diamond is probably the fastest rubber on Earth, it's highly reactive to tuner, even baby oil. PF4 is super tacky as is apollo, geo spin tacky, three nine. etc. None of the super tacky rubbers are fast

the problem with Red Diamond in my experience though is that every single sheet is very noticeably different. Some of them are very grippy, some tacky with no grip and dead as a rock sponge.... some really lively. I ordered it remembering how great I thought it was, and what I got was bull crap in a package. I've had 4 sheets. All very different. Which sucks because the good sheets are so good.

Edit: I'm boosting a sheet right now to see what happens. 


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If it makes a difference... I boosted up one of the 11 dollar commercial H3 sheets.... as in non-neo commercial, and it still plays very well. 
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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

Lets get something straight. TG3 is not super tacky and Red Diamond is MUCH faster than TG3, either unboosted or boosted, boosted Red Diamond is probably the fastest rubber on Earth, it's highly reactive to tuner, even baby oil. PF4 is super tacky as is apollo, geo spin tacky, three nine. etc. None of the super tacky rubbers are fast

the problem with Red Diamond in my experience though is that every single sheet is very noticeably different. Some of them are very grippy, some tacky with no grip and dead as a rock sponge.... some really lively. I ordered it remembering how great I thought it was, and what I got was bull crap in a package. I've had 4 sheets. All very different. Which sucks because the good sheets are so good.

Edit: I'm boosting a sheet right now to see what happens. 
 
Let us know the results of the your Red Diamond boosting !
 
It might help the bad sheets pay better or normal ! 
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How does 729 SST God-Favored compare in speed & tackiness to H3 Neo, Tau, Thor's, etc?
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