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puppy412
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all the liveliness and bounciness and requiring less effort characteristics that rubbers like tenergy have are not appreciated when training or in some matches. you appreciate them in matches where you play many balls and many times get caught off guard and out of position, with very limited time to move and prepare a shot (many times you even react by instinct, just putting the paddle there). I think there are many rubbers out there that can produce a better shot than tenergy. evolution, h3, they all produce better shots than tenergy. but tenergy has that characteristic that you just put the paddle there, make a tiny arm movement and you have a nice counterloop with nice speed and spin. I guess that's also why so many pros use them, because they don't care about how many spin they make or if the arc of their arm is correct when looping. they are not focused on how good the rubber is for training but how good it behaves in the type of matches they play in their level. also a very small arm movement means recovering faster. that's why pros need very fast rubbers. Edited by puppy412 - 10/29/2013 at 1:28pm |
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Baal
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I think this is true. A four year head start is a long lead. I still think though that T05 has a somewhat different feel from all the other rubbers that have pretty similar performance. I don't want to say that it is a better feel, but it is pretty unique. I have been using it so long that I like it best. And maybe that is why it maintains its market share? |
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APW46
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I agree, Tenergy feels different, and the sponge IS different, it plays nearer to speed glue when re-looping than any other untuned rubber IMO.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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decoi
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imo its considered the best rubber because its one of those autopilot rubbers that does so many things for you all you have to do is be in the vicinity of the ball and stuff will happen.
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APW46
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but I don't spend vast fortunes trying to improve my game via my equipment , my definition of an equipment junkie.
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GeneralSpecific
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Yes, Tenergy has it's own unique feel but by that argument, that same statement can be made about the current generation of rubber also. My Xiom Sigma has its own feel and I'm sure Evolution has its own feel, etc. |
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NextLevel
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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igorponger
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VAMPIRE OF A RUBBER.
Т05 rubber (as well as the others of large-pore rubbers) is very much like a mad sexual vampiress. She takes all your sexual and physical potency to have carnal satisfaction enough. Once you happen to contact the ball at lower speed, you will lose controll over the rallies. Look, Timo Boll seemed to be a bit UNWELL at his latest match Vs. Samsonov, and he lost ball control outright for not being able to play the ball at full speed. T05 favoured him NO mercy. T05 IS SOME VAMPIRE, IT WANTS ALL YOUR BLOOD, TO THE VERY LAST DROP. |
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GeneralSpecific
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igorponger for forum admin 2014! |
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SmackDAT
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Why isn't the FX variants of tenergy up there with the regular version in terms of popularity? (disregarding Kreanga and ZJK)
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GeneralSpecific
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Even Kreanga switches between fx and regular depending on his location. |
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@General sorry was that meant to be a joke against the Greek economy? :o sorry Im confused could you go into more detail please?
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GeneralSpecific
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Haha not a joke about Greece. Kreanga stated in an interview once that in small halls he will use 05fx for the added control and in large halls he will use 05 for the added power.
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Baal
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I like the allusions to a vampiress, carnal satisfaction, and bodily fluids--Igor, clearly this is some of your best work yet --but perhaps you might want to reflect that Samsonov was also using a large-pored rubber in his latest match against Boll that you mention. Maybe Russians and Belarusians are immune to these effects? Maybe Vladi plays with a clove of garlic in his pocket? |
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GeneralSpecific
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Here is the interview where he discusses it. |
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mertus
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+1. IMHO latest generation tensors are closing the gap in terms of speed, spin and trajectory. Also lots of them have even surpassed the Tenergy's speed and durability. But unfortunately these improvements were not enough for the pros to switch allegiance.
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APW46
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I missed this one, absolutely spot on IMO
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Baal
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Tenergy was never the fastest rubber. From the beginning, there were tensors just as fast -- things like JO Platinum for example. But nothing felt as much like speed glued rubber and still nothing else does. The gap has narrowed a lot, but I still think there is a gap. For me personally that means I can tolerate a gap in price -- up to a point. Tenergy reached that point but have come back to earth so I continue to use it. But there will come a day soon when something else comes out that completely bridges the gap. Now, there are some people who never liked Tenergy. But most people who try it for awhile really like it. |
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Pushdeep
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If I play 8 hours a week, how long will Tenergy 05 or 80 last?
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APW46
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This is what I have always felt, after the sp/glue ban attempts, at replicating the speed glue feeling just resulted in extremely fast rubbers, T05 has lots of control, but a huge 'gear' up in speed when activated by incoming topspin, this allows a slower arm when re-looping giving increased consistency over its competitors. Its very personal though, the last rubber I tried on recommendation was Xeom Vega pro about two seasons ago, and it was just too one paced for me and I struggled with consistency.
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Baal
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Tenergy 05 and 80 are in my opinion among the most durable non-Chinese rubbers, and their performance (spin, speed, feel) remains pretty stable for quite a long time, even after the topsheet starts to look worn. I found that Evolution and Bluefire series, which come closest to Tenergy, show a more rapid change in performance as the factory tuner evaporates. However, those rubbers are very durable in terms of the topsheet not crumbling, tearing, etc. For all of these I recommend wide edgetape that comes all the way from top sheet to topsheet. Clean them with water between use. I don't use Chinese rubbers, but those things from other people who do use them seem to last forever, but they favor a completely different playing style, and I simply can't use them. |
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Fulanodetal
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"imo its considered the best rubber because its one of those autopilot rubbers that does so many things for you all you have to do is be in the vicinity of the ball and stuff will happen."
Yes. All I do is put the racket on top of the table and go eat a sandwich while serves and loops get produced as if by magic. You should see the face on my opponents.
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popperlocker
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I totally agree with this! Recently, I got both of my cousins into TT, both are in their 30's. I started them off with slow tacky rubber, and they could hit the ball pretty hard and confidently. I then gave them a racket with T05, they suddenly turned into scared cats. They could no longer hit the ball!! They were baby brushing/cripple stroking. In one second, the stroke totally changed! It's a dangerous rubber without a coach/garlic. A coach will correct you instantly and shield you from going down a cripple path/crap stroking. I told my cousin exactly what he was doing, and switched him back and forth between tacky and T05. I would not recommend anyone use T05, without coach supervision. Unless, you are 2000++ usatt or have been coached in the past or you have a good coach watching you. I've seen some coaches stay silent, while their student was using extremely bad technique. Slow equipment ftw.
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decoi
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sarcasm?
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jrscatman
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Really, I'm too cheap to go for a Tenergy - but what kind of sandwich? That might be in my price range!
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CraneStyle
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Sandwich?
Try a BLT A Ball Looped without Tenergy... |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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JimT
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Depends on how hard you really hit the ball; whether you produce a topsheet-ripping loops etc. But on average I would say that you will have to change it no more than three times a year. |
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JimT
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Best for whom? I am of the firm opinion that generally speaking, when players below USATT-2000 use T-05 it is a waste of money, time etc. Not to mention these players would get better results, better loop execution technique and healthier wallet using 30 dollar rubbers instead (Palio Blitz, Xiome Omega IV, Tibhar Aurus and some others; I am not even talking about cheaper alternatives as they are more controversial). My clubmate (USATT-2200 player) plays with T-05 and he says that for the first 2-3 weeks he hates it as it is super sensitive to the incoming spin and he literally has to spend many hours in the club before a tournament when he puts on a new Tenergy - not to get used to it but to get rid of the "newness" of the rubber. For players at below 2000 this is extremely frustrating. Especially for players who are not teenagers with a lot of energy and fast legs. If you don't work every ball, if you sometimes get careless, lazy or tired, you will get punished right away. And why would you even use it when there are rubbers which are twice cheaper and play better for you. |
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frogger
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I agree 100% Jim T. Right equipment for the right level is a no brainer. I have beginners ask me what they should be using and I do my best to recommend something that will help them develop. Next week they show up with a OFF+ carbon blade and T05.
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