Why is Tenergy 05 considered the best rubber?

GeneralSpecific wrote: I think bouncy can be used both positively and negatively. People often prefer a rubber with more bounce on their backhand for example as it can be used to provide extra energy. People also prefer bouncy rubber for smashing especially against a lob. It can also be used negatively by associating it with a lack of control or a lack of gears. This brings up a point about your definition of linear. I think you combined the definition of linear with the definition of gears. Linear tends to mean a rubbers performance is predictable and consistent. While gears are proportional to the effort you put into it i.e the soft stroke, hard stroke example you gave.

all the liveliness and bounciness and requiring less effort characteristics that rubbers like tenergy have are not appreciated when training or in some matches.
you appreciate them in matches where you play many balls and many times get caught off guard and out of position, with very limited time to move and prepare a shot (many times you even react by instinct, just putting the paddle there).

I think there are many rubbers out there that can produce a better shot than tenergy.
evolution, h3, they all produce better shots than tenergy.
but tenergy has that characteristic that you just put the paddle there, make a tiny arm movement and you have a nice counterloop with nice speed and spin.

I guess that's also why so many pros use them, because they don't care about how many spin they make or if the arc of their arm is correct when looping.
they are not focused on how good the rubber is for training but how good it behaves in the type of matches they play in their level.
also a very small arm movement means recovering faster.
that's why pros need very fast rubbers.


Edited by puppy412 - 10/29/2013 at 1:28pm

Baal wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: I would argue that since Rakza 7 (the best of its generation) and the sequential (our current) generation onwards, euro rubber has been able to match the performance of Tenergy. However, Tenergy had a HUGE head start which caused it to take the lion's share of top players. I think this is true.  A four year head start is a long lead.  I still think though that T05 has a somewhat different feel from all the other rubbers that have pretty similar performance.  I don't want to say that it is a better feel, but it is pretty unique.  I have been using it so long that I like it best.  And maybe that is why it maintains its market share?

imo its considered the best rubber because its one of those autopilot rubbers that does so many things for you all you have to do is be in the vicinity of the ball and stuff will happen.

APW46 wrote: Baal wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: I would argue that since Rakza 7 (the best of its generation) and the sequential (our current) generation onwards, euro rubber has been able to match the performance of Tenergy. However, Tenergy had a HUGE head start which caused it to take the lion's share of top players. I think this is true.  A four year head start is a long lead.  I still think though that T05 has a somewhat different feel from all the other rubbers that have pretty similar performance.  I don't want to say that it is a better feel, but it is pretty unique.  I have been using it so long that I like it best.  And maybe that is why it maintains its market share?  I agree, Tenergy feels different, and the sponge IS different, it plays nearer to speed glue when re-looping than any other untuned rubber IMO.

Yes, Tenergy has it's own unique feel but by that argument, that same statement can be made about the current generation of rubber also. My Xiom Sigma has its own feel and I'm sure Evolution has its own feel, etc.

VAMPIRE OF A RUBBER.

Т05 rubber (as well as the others of large-pore rubbers) is very much like a mad sexual vampiress.


She takes all your sexual and physical potency to have carnal satisfaction enough.
Once you happen to contact the ball at lower speed, you will lose controll over the rallies.

Look, Timo Boll seemed to be a bit UNWELL at his latest match Vs. Samsonov, and he lost ball control outright for not being able to play the ball at full speed.
T05 favoured him NO mercy.

T05 IS SOME VAMPIRE, IT WANTS ALL YOUR BLOOD, TO THE VERY LAST DROP.
BE PREWARNED, BOY...

Why isn't the FX variants of tenergy up there with the regular version in terms of popularity? (disregarding Kreanga and ZJK)

@General sorry was that meant to be a joke against the Greek economy? :o sorry Im confused could you go into more detail please?

igorponger wrote: VAMPIRE OF A RUBBER. Т05 rubber (as well as the others of large-pore rubbers) is very much like a mad sexual vampiress. She takes all your sexual and physical potency to have carnal satisfaction enough. Once you happen to contact the ball at lower speed, you will lose controll over the rallies. Look, Timo Boll seemed to be a bit UNWELL at his latest match Vs. Samsonov, and he lost ball control outright for not being able to play the ball at full speed. T05 favoured him NO mercy. T05 IS SOME VAMPIRE, IT WANTS ALL YOUR BLOOD, TO THE VERY LAST DROP. BE PREWARNED, BOY...

I like the allusions to a vampiress, carnal satisfaction, and bodily fluids--Igor, clearly this is some of your best work yet --but perhaps you might want to reflect that Samsonov was also using a large-pored rubber in his latest match against Boll that you mention.  Maybe Russians and Belarusians are immune to these effects?  Maybe Vladi plays with a clove of garlic in his pocket?

NextLevel wrote: It was first to market among the extremely spinny high throw speed glue effect rubbers and had amazingly high throw and spin, making it excellent for counterlooping, especially close to mid distance. It also makes it easier to loop chop with a closed blade. As a pro, once you get used to something, you hate to switch if nothing else plays similarly enough and T05 is unique enough that people who built their technique around it at the top level have switching pains because of the throw. You can play with a very closed blade and loop extremely hard with confidence. Other rubbers have closed the gap now but not to the point that Tenergy users have to switch.

mertus wrote: NextLevel wrote: It was first to market among the extremely spinny high throw speed glue effect rubbers and had amazingly high throw and spin, making it excellent for counterlooping, especially close to mid distance. It also makes it easier to loop chop with a closed blade. As a pro, once you get used to something, you hate to switch if nothing else plays similarly enough and T05 is unique enough that people who built their technique around it at the top level have switching pains because of the throw. You can play with a very closed blade and loop extremely hard with confidence. Other rubbers have closed the gap now but not to the point that Tenergy users have to switch.   +1. IMHO latest generation tensors are closing the gap in terms of speed, spin and trajectory. Also lots of them have even surpassed the Tenergy's speed and durability. But unfortunately these improvements were not enough for the pros to switch allegiance.

Tenergy was never the fastest rubber.  From the beginning, there were tensors just as fast -- things like JO Platinum for example.  But nothing felt as much like speed glued rubber and still nothing else does.  The gap has narrowed a lot, but I still think there is a gap.  For me personally that means I can tolerate a gap in price -- up to a point.  Tenergy reached that point but have come back to earth so I continue to use it.  But there will come a day soon when something else comes out that completely bridges the gap.  Now, there are some people who never liked Tenergy.  But most people who try it for awhile really like it.

Baal wrote: Tenergy was never the fastest rubber.  From the beginning, there were tensors just as fast -- things like JO Platinum for example.  But nothing felt as much like speed glued rubber and still nothing else does.  The gap has narrowed a lot, but I still think there is a gap.

"imo its considered the best rubber because its one of those autopilot rubbers that does so many things for you all you have to do is be in the vicinity of the ball and stuff will happen."

Fulanodetal wrote: "imo its considered the best rubber because its one of those autopilot rubbers that does so many things for you all you have to do is be in the vicinity of the ball and stuff will happen." Yes. All I do is put the racket on top of the table and go eat a sandwich while serves and loops get produced as if by magic. You should see the face on my opponents.

Sandwich?

Try a BLT

A Ball Looped without Tenergy...

SmackDAT wrote: Please someone justify this or prove me wrong, I really want to know why people think Tenergy 05 is the best rubber and why.

Best for whom? I am of the firm opinion that generally speaking, when players below USATT-2000 use T-05 it is a waste of money, time etc. Not to mention these players would get better results, better loop execution technique and healthier wallet using 30 dollar rubbers instead (Palio Blitz, Xiome Omega IV, Tibhar Aurus and some others; I am not even talking about cheaper alternatives as they are more controversial).

My clubmate (USATT-2200 player) plays with T-05 and he says that for the first 2-3 weeks he hates it as it is super sensitive to the incoming spin and he literally has to spend many hours in the club before a tournament when he puts on a new Tenergy - not to get used to it but to get rid of the "newness" of the rubber.

For players at below 2000 this is extremely frustrating. Especially for players who are not teenagers with a lot of energy and fast legs. If you don't work every ball, if you sometimes get careless, lazy or tired, you will get punished right away. And why would you even use it when there are rubbers which are twice cheaper and play better for you.