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ChichoFicho 
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 3:26pm |
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The defender didn't attack enough. When he did he was mostly successful.
Any idea what the guy was chopping with....? |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 3:29pm |
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Nice video. Hard to beat these old guys by just chopping - He Zhi Wen, Walder, Primorac, Persson etc....pretty much the only guy you can beat is Timo Boll!
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 3:34pm |
He didn't attack simply because he was not given many chances to attack. |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 3:35pm |
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What's the name of that event?
When did it happen?
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 4:03pm |
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How much top spin does He generate by using his SP rubber? It seems that his loops are pretty spinny in the video.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 4:05pm |
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Chicho....the defender need to create opportunities to attack. Just chopping the ball back to the middle of the table isn't going to win many matches....even at lower levels.
He's rolling the ball back with his short pips....nothing fancy or too frightening. The defender never varied his play. On the other hand....He Zhi Wen is still pretty damn good....on that you will get no argument from me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 4:25pm |
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HZW is wanting for more attacking power when playing choppers. Shiono shall destroy him with ease. |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 4:32pm |
Correct. HZW pretty much did here what he does to other defenders like Gionis or Jang Song Man. He targets the chopper's BH side to pin them. To prevent the step around to the FH, he also goes to the FH hip or wide FH sometimes. What might have helped Wang is twirl the inverted side to his BH once in a while so he can loop. This invites a block from HZW and if the block is not well-placed, Wang could step around. That said, Wang does not seem to be a world class chopper (is he? he looks around 2600). And to face a short pips penholder, it's usually a disaster... for the chopper. HZW's longevity is amazing. At 51 y/o playing at this level is impressive.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 5:08pm |
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Are you crazy...Wang only looks like a 2600 player? He looks a lot better than a 2600 player to me. HZW was a solid Top 50 player and no 2600 chopper would beat him like that.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 5:11pm |
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Sh pips is murder for L/pips, in the right hands of course, less spin for the LP's to 'bite'.
The Defender couldn't attack without stepping round, of course he had some success when he did, but was always in danger of succumbing wide to his f/hand with the HZW block/hit. The thing is with HZW, he's terribly patient, and defenders hate that. I watched him surgically dissect Matt Syed at Manchester worlds, he plays out the rally scenario, if the big one comes back, he just starts over again, the defender has no where to go. Everyone in the arena could see Syed had absolutely no chance, including Matt himself. Deadly. If anyone can find that, I would love to see it again.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 5:50pm |
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He Zhi Wen is just so fun to watch. Such a unique style.
The stroke he made during the point at :52 in was quite impressive. You rarely see him backed off the table and to stroke the ball like that with SP is impressive. I've always found it interesting when playing choppers, he rarely pushes any backspin balls. Just keeps soft looping until he sees one he likes to go after.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 6:55pm |
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He Zhi Wen plays amazingly well... for a 52 YO. Over a year ago he played in Polish primary league and some players ittf ranked below 100 just owned him. Age is age...
There is a tendency to adore his mastery based on his matches against much weaker opponents, including the OP post, where I agree that the chopper seems to be a US2600. While I admire HZW for his smart game, fighting spirit and also great control with his pips, we need to be realistic... perhaps just watch the video clips from his matches against well known pros?
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 8:20pm |
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IMO, the chopper is rated at least 2650-2700. Good tactic. Almost never push because balls from chopper are not spinny to begin with so he can continue rolling/looping until BAM! here comes fast flat ball. Not many players can do this. Every time he looped to my FH and I tried to block it the ball ended up at the bottom of the net. |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 8:34pm |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 8:54pm |
with 729 802 you can generate almost same spin as with inverted. but he probably doesn't even want to generate much spin. remember that the more spin he generates the more spin that comes back. and he doesn't seem to be trying to overpower the other guy, he's just passing the ball hoping one of the chops will be high so he can start smashing. he knows that he can't win a point just looping so he needs to be patient. it's either an error or a high ball where he can start smashing. Edited by puppy412 - 12/18/2013 at 9:03pm |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 9:10pm |
Know little about HZW. When Boll won Waldner then lost to HZW. Being Schlager world champion and an expert player against mixed players lost to HZW 4-0 next wttc. HZW is a player always difficult to play against. This is realistic. I doubt even with 52 year old that any polish player can have an easy playing time to beat him. He is one player to push an upset to a higuer rated player. |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 10:49pm |
Let's see how he qualified for the London Olympics In a similar style he demolished other top 100 players. He just plays on a different(much higher) level the important matches. Edited by ChichoFicho - 12/18/2013 at 10:50pm |
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Posted: 12/18/2013 at 11:06pm |
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His world ranking is what it is for a reason.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 8:23am |
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Great to watch He Zhi Wen playing defenders. His attacking against chops looks so effortless.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 9:08am |
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My bad Beaver...when you said Wang looks only like a 2600 chopper I thought you were commenting on the player in the video immediately above your post (Jang Song Man). There is no way that guy is only 2600. I watched HZW lose to Man and was very impressed with his defense...he is another level above (Wang) in the first video posted here. I agree Wang only looks to be about 2600 - 2650. BTW...HZW is definitely one of my favorite players. I love the way he grunts loudly when he attacks. A 2200 Chinese player I play with regularly said HZW was definitely in the Top 10 when he was in his prime. The only problem was that at that time China already had Jiang Liang, and another great pips player so they didn't want to send 3 pips players to the worlds.
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french pro b in 2013
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 11:13am |
That was 11/19/2013, during French Champioship Pro B (2nd division). Wang is a professional player, rated 2650 in France, rank n° 103. I think it's close to 2600 usa rating, maybe a little below. There's a huge level difference with He, who is n° 6 in French payers list (3650 points). 1000 points represents the difference between a beginner (500 pts = 1200 USA) and a good club player (1500 points =2000 USA). Above 2100 points (=2300 USA), you are in top 1000 of french players. |
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 12:11pm |
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Thanks for the information about the event. I have always enjoyed He Zhi Wen's match videos.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 2:34pm |
No problem, buddy. You and I are starting a tradition on disagreeing about ratings just like the long pips Russian girl
 But hey, it's all good. I respect your opinion and having a healthy debate is a good thing.Yeah, I was confused about your post because you said the chopper beat HZW. Of course, now I see that you're referring to Jang Song Man and not Wang Jiuliang a Morez so it's clearer. The reason why I rated Wang as 2600 is I was using Wang Qing Liang (chopper from MD) as a reference who is also around 2600. I don't see Jiuliang any better than Qing Liang although any chopper playing HZW usually doesn't look good... unless they are named Jang Song Man.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 4:47pm |
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also hZW sounds like Dhaslim from Street Fighter
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 6:03pm |
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HZW is simply inmortal! He is well know in my Country (Spain) and has been the main player in National Team for years.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 11:11pm |
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That guy is sick...I love watching how he frustrates people with those short pips.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 at 11:20pm |
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amazing short pip loop form HZW
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HZW lost 2 matches on the last 2013 round of this championship, against opponents who are weaker on paper (Jon Persson n°45, 2930 pts and Sebastien Jover n°47, 2920 pts). Weight of the years begins to be heavy.
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