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dannyreventon
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So it's faster than an MJ ZLC and better close to the table? :)
Edited by dannyreventon - 08/27/2014 at 9:07am |
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slevin
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No, it is not faster than an MJ. Close to the table, it is faster than a Viscaria.
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I see! Thanks! :D
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Just received my new Xiom Vega Europe blade today at 86g and I put Tenergy 64 on the forehand and Tenergy 05 on the backhand with 4 layers of revolution 3 wbg on the rubber and 2 on the blade, the tenergys made it head heavy. I put some old rubber sheets on as I hate putting new rubber on and if the rubber is sometimes cut to small to put on any other blades, I feel I have wasted new sheets of rubber for nothing if I dislike the blade. As mentioned the blade is packaged very nicely and the finish is high quality. I am a two wing looper 2050 to 2150 rating range and I have used and own all the Butterfly alc's and zlc's and zlf's except for the new szlc's. I also use and own all the Nittaku Stringed instrument series blades(violin, acoustic, acoustic carbon, tenor) so I have something to refer to. What I noticed right away was compared to all other composite blades was the feel on the XVE(Xiom Vega Europe) is much better, so over the table play was much more controllable, almost all wood controllable. It even had better feeling then the NAC. Off the table the throw was not as pronounced as the violin which I had been currently using. I felt this particularly on my backhand at mid distance. The throw or the decreased throw did not effect my forehand as much. Another nice quality is the dwell time. It made flicks and the short game more effective and consistent. Serves were at least as spinny or more compared to my other blades. The blade I have has a flared handle and there are other handles on other blades I like better but it is not the worst handle out there, it just felt a little thinner in the neck then I would have liked. Like all the other blades, it has no magical powers but I did like it in the first outing and will give it some more training session tries and I will put some newer rubber on for the next go around. The blade is marketed as a SZLC with natural glue(possibly hide glue) and is jointless. Seems like a lot of nice selling points. I had started with the fastest blades on the market and have over the years been getting slower and slower blades until currently I have been using 5 ply all wood blades, so I am not sure if this composite blade will be able to compete with the the control of the all wood blades that I have been enjoying. I would like to post some picture but I don't know how to decrease the size of the files of the pictures to get them to upload(computer dummy here). I am not sold on it yet, will need more training sessions to form a better opinion. If you are interested in this blade or blade series, stay tuned to this "bat channel"! nanananananananana batman!
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vic#74
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I'm the one who is waiting for your review of XVE. Comparison with some benchmarks is strongly expected
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tom
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anybody tried both the Vega and Hayabusa blades and care to enlighten me on the major differences and your preference for specific models. I played with the ZXi and Z+. thanks
Edited by tom - 09/13/2014 at 12:31pm |
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slevin
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I think ttping85 has played with both the Pro & the Euro blades.
Question for those who have played with the Euro (koto outer) blade: is it more powerful than the Viscaria but less than the TB-ZLC? |
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BTW: good review clannewton!
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clannewton
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I just noticed on the Xiom website they offer the Vega Europe models with different flared handle options, a regular flared and a wide flared. It seems they have used Stigas handle model (masters and legend handle options) to try and meet more player needs. Unfortuneatly it is so new out that they did not have the handle options at tabletennis11 as I would defintely went with the wide flared. Had my second go with the Vega Europe last night and reenforced my original findings. From mid distance it is much more linear than what I was used to but it does generate a lot of spin, possibly due to the increased dwell time.
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ttping85
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The Vega series have much better feel than the hayabusa series. For me it's the same difference as between the zlc and the szlc blades. SZLC have better feel.
Concerning the power of the Vega Euro yes I think it is right in between the Viscaria and the TB ZLC. but the feel is closer to the Viscaria. |
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clannewton
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I agree with ttping85's assessment of the comparison the vega and the butterfly's. What is your view in comparing the Vega Pro to the Vega Europe? Very interested in what you think.
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vic#74
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How do you think - can Xiom vega euro be compared with ZJK SZLC in terms of....whatever...speed, feel, control, power...? thnx |
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yorsh82
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hey....any idea where to get xiom vega tour blade?...is it released yet??
thanks!
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searching for a good blade/rubber....comming back after 4 years of no TT at all..... :(
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kurokami
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based on the specs i'd be interested in vega tour or vega pro as well
are the omega series just rosewood blades? any comparison for cyx?
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ttping85
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Xvp is harder, less bouncy, has more power is and better for spinny loops. I prefer xvp on the forehand. Xve is better for blocking and counter looping and is generally easier to play with because it's speed is less on/off than the xvp. I prefer the xve on the backhand. |
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ttping85
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Zjk szlc is stiffer, harder, faster and more powerful than xve. Xve has much more control. |
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kurokami
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i think he meant the blade not rubber. i was asking the same as well
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Viscaria
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ttping85
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Where did I mention rubbers? It's the Vega blades thread and I am talking blades like everybody else. Maybe there is a confusion when I say on the forehand or on the backhand. What i meant is that I play better with the Vega Pro blade than the Vega Euro blade when playing with the forehand and the opposite for the backhand. Sorry if this was not quite clear. |
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vvk1
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It's all Xiom's fault - naming their new blades after their most popular rubbers.
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Smash
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Hi there, Does anyone know why Xiom would rate the Vega Pro as being More aggressive [spin/ smash] than the Euro? [By looking at the "Strategy" line on the specification charts that are printed for the 2x blades? I would have guessed that the Limba outer ply of the Pro would give more "control [all round / topspin].? Paddle palace - also shows the Pro being 2 points faster for speed..? I thought that Koto outer would be faster.? Thanks very much.
Edited by Smash - 09/30/2014 at 8:47am |
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ttping85
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Vega Euro is softer, more bouncy and less powerful than the Vega Pro. This happens often when you have the same construction except koto or limba outers. I don't know if limba or koto is harder but in practice koto outers make a blade more flexible, softer but with very sharp contact abd and short dwell time. Usually they are better in medium strokes meaning everything except short game, very spinny top spin and very powerful topspin. With limba outers the blade is less bouncy, better short game, spinny looping and power looping. Examples for this comparison are MJSZLC and zjk szlc or MJ zlc and TB ZLC. Maze and TBS are not a good comparison for this because they have different inner plies. |
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Hi ttping85, Can you please elaborate about limba / koto layers? I think you are right, I just don't get why koto makes the blade more flexible, not the opposite...sorry I have ZXI. Composition: Koto outer plies-Zephylium Carbon-Ayous-Kiri And I agree it feels more flexible than, say Timo Boll Spirit, it also feels much more flexible comparing to zjk szlc. |
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ttping85
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I also don't know why. It's just my experience.
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NextLevel
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Paddle Palace agrees with ttping85 and rates the Pro OFF and the Euro OFF-.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Smash
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It is quite interesting, the speed and feel ratings seem to go against the conventional descriptions of the woods used in the outer plys..
But this is only what I theorise by googling. Not from actual experience, such as TTping85. I'm not sure if the 2x blade versions are the same Thickness? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"KOTO - Also known as Anatolia, Poroposo, Ofete, Kakende, Ikame, Ake, Awari, Kyere, Kefe. Soft topspin wood, typically used in extremely thin outer plies to produce a faster and stiffer blade. Great wood for players who rely on both looping and countering techniques. Koto wood surface plies encourage crisp, fast blocks and hard hitting for sharper ball contact and faster rebound. Usually quartersawn for the pattern.""LIMBA - Also known as Korina, Ofram, Frake, Afara, Akom. A West African wood, Limba is the classic European topspin wood (as compared to Hinoki, which is the classic Asian topspin wood); heavy and fast, but not springy; Limba wood adds the soft feel and great control needed by today's modern topspin players; it is lighter and softer than Hinoki or Koto; Limba wood changes its color as the time passes so it is sometimes hard to spot a Limba wood by its color; although Limba wood is soft, it can’t give a soft feeling to the blade by itself, and when used with other veneers, a Limba blade can give a hard feeling; Limba has excellent acoustic properties and provides a good acoustic click sound when used with speed glue effect rubbers; its vibrations or flex is liked by topspin players; the higher the thickness of the Limba ply, the greater the blade's hitting ability.""love the way Limba feels as an outer ply because it gives
you a lot of dwell time. But I like Limba when it is a very thin ply the way it
is on many Stiga blades. I don't like the feel of it as much on the Butterfly
blades where Butterfly has the Limba plies cut thicker and where Limba is often
the outer ply and also the ply directly under the outer ply. Then it feels too
dead. Blades like the Stiga Clipper, Tube Offensive, Tube Allround, Allround
NCT, Allround Oversize and Energy Wood, have a Limba outer ply with Ayous under
it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The words in blue are borrowed from other fellow TT players on the web. Well anyway - I guess I will get a Vega Pro [Limba] to try or Vega Tour [Hinoki].? [Considering that I have a KOTO outer ZXi already]. Cheers. Edited by Smash - 10/07/2014 at 5:52am |
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? Someone can compare XVPRO vs JREmotion ? Thanks.
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Koto is the most "mainstream" outer ply for offensive blade. Its giving you everything an attacker wants : dwell time, power, touch. TBS & TB-ALC have pleased so many attackers thanks to this koto outer ply, if you want a Xiom blade with Koto outer ply, i would definitely recommend the Stradivarius blade.
If you want a more hard feel but still a very good "wood feel", hinoki outer ply is a good choice, Kong Linghui Special blade for example, or the Ignito from Xiom (that blade is almost the equivalent of As an offensive player, i recommend to choose blades with either Koto/Hinoki as outer ply, espascially Koto, its not the most popular outer ply (for offensive players) for nothing.
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There are many players using Limba as well (Mizutani, Maze, Samson). This is not a hard science that logo is best for attackers.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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tom
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The words in blue are borrowed from other fellow TT players on the web.
Well anyway - I guess I will get a Vega Pro [Limba] to try or Vega Tour [Hinoki].? [Considering that I have a KOTO outer ZXi already]. Smash, let me know how that turns out as I also have the ZXi and the Z+ and is somewhat tempted. Thanks Edited by tom - 10/23/2014 at 11:33am |
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