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Imago
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He is a PhD, he should know how to answer these questions. Any modern deconstruction. i.e., phenomenological reduction has its reflexive-intellectual (Wesenschau) and reverse-constitutional (ontological) counterparts. As for the cognitive scientists, with all their naturalistic assumptions, the question boils down to how to transform the 10,000 hrs rule into 20 hrs rule... |
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jt99sf
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One also have to learn to play against the different playing styles and different rubber surfaces. That's going to take more than a year.
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Haha. I can see where he is coming from, but really, not so many players make 2000 level, so it really isn't as easy as that.
I concur that at USATT 2000 level, we can see players of many different styles and they all have some major holes in their game for sure. In vids or even up close in person, some of these players appear to have no major attacking capabilities that would threaten a weak fly. A point won is a point won as long as it was lawfully won, it all counts as one point... and they add up.
I now firmly believe that the more I improved, the more and MORE I discovered how terrible I was at something. I mean terrible lousey in a dimension I never saw before. Improving in level and having to use strokes, tactics and shots that I didn't before really opened my eyes a lot, but I keep discovering so much more to improve upon just to move up a half level.
I really wish making 2000 legit level was as easy as playing a game of keep-it-on-the-table at all costs.
I ran into such a junior in David C in two tourneys and we see that in USA, a hopeful indicator of our pipeline and increasing interest in TT, albeit still very small.
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shay2be
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David Cui? I think hes 10 years old and 2100!
Although, realize he has been playing for more than 3 years
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Of the current USATT membership of 6,230, excluding players over 2400. there are only 650 players rated over 2000. http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/Ratings/Ratings-Stats-by-TTSPIN |
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Some people will never learn to stop beating themselves.
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DDreamer
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For a keen player with access to regular practice, a willingness to focus on technique and drills, and no physical/age impairments; reaching 2000 is really not that difficult. With pinskills clips you can even get by without coaching.
Most people don't improve because they don't want to do drills but rather only play games. I have heard that some even spend more time thinking about equipment than they do practicing but I find that very hard to believe.
Edited by DDreamer - 02/21/2014 at 1:24am |
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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Imago
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Believe it. These people are the community sponsors. Where else can you buy a new ZJK ZLC for $200? Or unopened Ludeack Fleet half the price?
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jrscatman
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Quite a few people I know - if they can't hit a particular shot - instead of getting coaching or doing some drills - will go and change equipment to fix the shot! I used to argue with them - but now I say - hey talk to this guy - I believe he has that blade/rubber etc. I guess we all have to our own way to the mountain top!
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real coaching is not easy to find. I can teach some kid FH and BH loop but when I look at elite player matches i still don't understand the strategy. Here in IL there are only a couple of good coaches, and this is CHicago. What about Ohio?
So when I say you can reach 2000 easy, i have to add that you need proper environment. In my club there is an abundance of over 2000 players and even some 2300 that will occasionally hit with me. If you live in a state where the clubs that you frequent don't have a single 2000 player, then no, i don't think you can get to 2000.. even if you are smart and pick up very quickly, its hard to learn by yourself. Even if nobody is teaching you, you need quality opponents so you learn to play those kind of rallies. My biggest rating jump happened when good players started accepting matches with me. There is no substitute for that. You learn to operate in different environment, no time for comfortable swing, well placed blocks from opponent get you wrong footed all the time.. i see how I did some adjustments completely subconsciously. But now when I go back to play my old foes.. my god its so easy.. you have so much time for every shot, every return comes back in the middle of the table.. its just hard to get to 2000 if this is the quality of opposition you get every time.. Edited by assiduous - 02/21/2014 at 11:16am |
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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jt99sf
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My biggest rating jump happened when I started playing tournaments. There is a world outside your club.
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assiduous
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i do play tournaments but unless you are in chicago or east or west coast there is not much competition there either. So unless you are willing to travel... I personally like TT a lot but its not important for me to travel out of state for that.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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DDreamer
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I think you will find that you will make vastly bigger jumps if you can get those players to train with you rather than play matches.
Edited by DDreamer - 02/21/2014 at 8:31pm |
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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BH-Man
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My biggest ratings jump happened when I got somewhere to do lessons, play matches and tourneys, and drink beerz/talk shyt after playing TT with my frineds...
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Imago
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This is precipitation, not jumping.
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aroonkl
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Bh-Man, I love your practice! We can hang n practice together. Cheers. (I need to practice my loop faster. Better give me bigger mug. )
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Drinking booze will make you think your rating impored dramatically :)
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BH-Man
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Usually the beerz would be AFTER the lesson and matches and after the club closed, but I am not below bringing a few beerz to the club and throwing one or two down in the back hallway smokers room between matches.
A beer or two actually helps some players not worry about mistakes and allows them to play a little less stress free and natural.
We prolly already discussed the daylights outta this over the years.
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JonathanVN
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This is a very interesting journey. I'm predicting Sam to end up around 1800 by year's end.
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This is a sport that requires lots of training hours to perfect some basic shots. 2400 in one year. If that were doable, then lots of world-class players would have been easily mass-produced after that. Even RG III's family thought he would be able to make the Olympic team by playing table tennis. This sport is still perceived by many as an easy sport to be good at. :-)
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+1 I just watched a match with Ben playing left handed in week 14. Sam is not following through on his 4H shots. He lost 0-3. |
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To make this challenge remotely possible, you need someone with a Child's ability to learn and an adult's strength. NVM, it's impossible
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jt99sf
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Perhaps 1800 against inverted players, prob <1400 against pips/anti/hardbat opponents.
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Good point. I feel like he will be able to hold his own against some decent inverted players by the end of the year (not now of course), but against lp's he would get destroyed. I think that in a year you can teach the basics and some more advanced material like Sam is doing, but what you can't teach that quickly is how to adapt and adjust your tactics to a certain style of play. Thus, if a person plays a specific kind of way, Sam may even be able to play at a level close to 2000 if he's lucky. However, the moment his opponent switches anything up, I don't think he will have enough experience to handle it. At this rate, 2300/2400 is basically a joke. Nevertheless, Sam is making great progress and should be proud of himself no matter what happens.
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========================== No kidding, he is not going to reach that level by year's end. -------------------------------------- Searched on Rating's Central: Ben Larcombe: No info what-so-ever on RC. Eli Baraty (guest coach): RC rating is 2182. (The fact that Ben got Eli Baraty to guest-coaching Sam, means Ben regard Eli's table tennis skill highly.) ---------------------------------------- Googled "Ben Larcombe, Table Tennis", couldn't find any video where he played in a real tournament.
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Eli Baraty is ranked ~50 and Ben Larcombe ~190 among UK senior men. Please show some respect before making statements about their skill and abilities.
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Ben Larcombe is rated 1965 under the English rating system. His ranking is 187 out of 617 Senior Men. No idea how that translates to the USATT rating system.
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