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wturber
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Yes, a diminished flammability is an improvement. It just happens to be so extremely small that it is barely worth mentioning much less exaggerating. If I overclock my computer by 1%, it will be faster and hence better. But who cares? The "benefit" has virtually no practical implications. |
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IMO, plastic balls are more dangerous than celluloid balls. Like another forumer said, when poly burns it releases more harmful toxins into the air. Also, poly is said to give people fertility problems. Yes, poly is everywhere, but table tennis players will have no escape. On another note, I welcome the changes that poly brings to the gameplay. Slower, less spinny, longer rallies, easier to watch, more interesting to watch, more people can play.
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Matt Pimple
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What is your opinion based on that the poly balls are more dangerous? Are there any scientific papers? Also, ITTF does not specify which polymeric material needs to be used for the new "plastic" ball so it could be anything. When you talk about "poly" which polymeric material specifically are you referring to? You do realize that the term "poly" means "many", right?
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TurboZ
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All I know is that for now celluloid balls are not allowed to be hand carry with you on board a plane. You have to keep them in your suitcase. So not sure about the new balls or they will all be banned together.
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wturber
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I've done it multiple times. No problems. Though I have heard reports from others of it being prohibited. Here's the problem, if true, its kinda crazy. They'll allow you to carry a butane lighter but not a ping-pong ball. Now that's crazy... I believe that much of this stems from ignorance about celluloid and this ignorance is, I guess, understandable considering how few things are made of celluloid these days. |
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wturber
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My understanding is that the specifics have been largely kept as trade secrets. So this pretty much leaves the question of which is or is not safer unanswered. The same goes for the workers who produce the balls - one of the key concerns expressed by Sharara at the outset. But it's all academic. Poly it will be and that's pretty much that. |
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Mastermind
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"French League Says No To The Polly Ball!"
(http://tabletennista.com/2014/4/french-league-says-no-to-the-polly-ball/) |
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wturber
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Well, they are simply saying "no" for the upcoming season. It seems likely that they will say "yes" next season. |
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Jay Turberville
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lineup32
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French Federation's report also mentioned the situation in Germany. The Germany Federation recommends that the Bundesliga, second and third division implement the new ball, while people in charge of other divisions can decide if they implement or not the polly ball. |
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lecridupongiste
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It only concerns the amateur league. No decision has been made for the pro league yet.
Still, one more year to enjoy this good old celluloid ball. Maybe this unwanted poly ball will go away in the meantime. One can only dream.
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igorponger
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MEET THE PLASTIC IN A SHORT TIME...
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://sz.happypingpang.cn/news/view/6028/79af79cd1bad0c4bafacb4d495720660a85489ac&usg=ALkJrhiuilfkI7olKMQJCAwOJsNCLzRsnA MAY 9, 2014, is when the DF and DHS to start with plastic on market worldwide. Manufacturer Suggested Price is now announced at 8 yuan a piece. (3 star quality balls). If a seller's price too cheap, say 4 yuan, be alert of fake product. |
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assiduous
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I played a couple of matches with the new ball with a 2150 penhold two winged looper. He is a friend, never touched the ball before, started a match right away and beat me with great comfort.
The biggest difference of the new ball is the sound. It tricks your brain into the illusion that actual performance is much different too, but it is not. There is no drastic difference in any aspect. I don't see any significant rating readjustments with the new ball. To be honest, even though the new ball is easier to play, I think my chances of upsetting a much higher rated player are with the old ball. At least there you can connect and ram it through. This is more difficult here, even if he pops a bad ball, unless its right above the net, its difficult to put it away. He can recover from the bad position and regain initiative soon after that. I think the new ball will make upsets more difficult. Before the underdog could take some risky shots and if they go in he collects a point. Not this is more difficult, seems like the only way to win is to outplay your opponent. How will you pass the new ball past defenders like Samsonov is to be seen
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Pondus
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Exactly what ball(s) did you try? Meaning, brand and model. |
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assiduous
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seamless palio
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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igorponger
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I AM TO AGREE. No perceptible revolution to the World's TOP200 standing order is to happen with plastic. Nothing good for defenders. Underdogs defenders will remain all beaten and face down in muck. To promote in deed our defenders/blockers/choppers we need the rubber total thickness to be limited to 3.5 mm. |
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roundrobin
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Didn't ITTF already say that most of their 2014 (post July 1st) and 2015 events will be played with new seamed DHS balls made of cellulose diacetate? The seamless Palio is made of completely different material. The new DHS seamed balls will be very similar to current celluloid balls because it's also made of cellulose, with identical 2-pc. construction. So your review is actually on something that WON'T be used, I am afraid. |
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Rich215
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Yea....seems like the seamless Palio balls were released to get some $ back for a failed experiment in production of balls that were 60% to 70% not round in early produced batches.
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the_theologian
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Well last night I tried palio prototype; recently purchased from ttnpp.com. Hated it from beginning to end. Super dusty out if the of the package and it maintained a gritty feel throughout play. The Sound Is Worse. More of the broken sound. Edited by the_theologian - 04/30/2014 at 4:29pm |
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kyle90
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if you guys aren't testing ittf approved balls you're wasting your time as these prototypes they're selling are essentially failed samples. having played with both seamed and seamless poly balls, the seamed version plays very similar to the current ball.
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the_theologian
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I'm just wanting to try whatever is available. I actually like the XSF samples
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LUCKYLOOP
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I tried the Xushaofa plastic ball last night. I did mostly counter looping with another guy mid to deep off the table. We didn't notice much difference, maybe a little slower and a little less spin. |
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When ITTF will start using the new plastic balls (slightly bigger) for all ITTF sanctioned tournaments?
After July 1, 2014? I lost track on this.
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igorponger
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Non-cell ball by DHS, the only one to be exclusively employed for ITTF major events, OG Rio 2016 including. The ball enacting date 1Jule 2014. Due on general sell. on china market as of May 12. Edited by igorponger - 05/11/2014 at 5:10am |
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the_theologian
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okay where can I buy some ittf approved seamless balls?
Edited by the_theologian - 06/12/2014 at 3:00am |
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TSuBaSa
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Tabletennis11.com and schoeler-micke sells ittf approved 40+ balls. its about 8euros for six pack.
But they will ship the balls on mid July. |
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igorponger
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Recent update on the DHS 40+ BALLS.
Dimo Ovtcharov while visiting in Russia Club's Champs last week, produced some interesing remarks on the plastic : -- "DHS did pressed for some relaxation of the ball weight tolerance, up to 2.80 gr, so as to produce more stable and durable product. Thus, DHS seamed ball is due on market in July, and it should be slightly heavier than current celluloid and less breakable, I hope for. I am really happy to here the news. I do hate cracky balls. |
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DistantStar
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How does hardness affect spin? did you mean density/weight? Lighter ball can't carry enough momentum to penetrate the sponge, causing euro rubber to be ineffective. Your following point about softer rubber seem to confirm my guess. Anyho, If that was the case, wouldnt it make sense for EVERYONE to switch to tacky rubber? as tack spin is much less effected by ball momentum compared to grip spin? Just a thought... Also, please do try a softer rubber and report back. Your OP make the new game sound devastating and I sincerely hope it's not the case :( |
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the_theologian
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Yeah I've been watching their page. But I'm looking for some already in stock.
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