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    Posted: 04/20/2014 at 6:08pm
I boosted one of my LPs for fun. The sheet is completely spoiled. However, the density of pips is less than before. Just wonder how does long pimples' pips density affect play??LOLLOLLOL
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I don't understand how treating affects the pips. Perhaps you're saying the sponge softened?
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Carl Prean used to speed-glue his long pips back in the day...

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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I don't understand how treating affects the pips. Perhaps you're saying the sponge softened?

sry, it is ox. a pic is worth a thousand words, the upper is the non-boosted LP OX sheet. You can see the boosted LP(OX) 's pips are bigger than the non-boosted pips as well LOL.



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So you're treating the pips. I don't know that boosted is the right word, but I'm not that into lp.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I don't understand how treating affects the pips. Perhaps you're saying the sponge softened?

if you stretch the sheet  the pips will be more separated and the disturbing effect will be be greater
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you can actually boost the rubber itself, not just the sponge.. If you use certain oils, the pips will actually grow. Well, it's not just the pips but the entire rubber grows with certain oils. I once produced a DAWEI 388 D-1 with 3mm long pips (they are less than 2 mm out of the box).. I tried it in training but it was so fast that it was almost impossible to control..  It might be ideal for a chopper but it SUCKS for a long pips blocker.. Way too fast..

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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I don't understand how treating affects the pips. Perhaps you're saying the sponge softened?

if you stretch the sheet  the pips will be more separated and the disturbing effect will be be greater
Any type of stretching will usually increase speed, no matter if it happened with manual stretching or with oils etc.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

So you're treating the pips. I don't know that boosted is the right word, but I'm not that into lp.
Well, boosting IS treating, no matter if it's done on inverted or pips..
Funny thing is that this type of treating is LEGAL on inverted  if the factory does it.. LOL

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Are there pips size regulations on inverted?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Are there pips size regulations on inverted?
Theoretically, yes, in real life, no..
 
I believe that the topsheet (base sheet and pimples (even inverted had pimples, just on the inside) may not exceed 2 mm. However, the devices used to measure rubber thickness only measure sponge and top sheet together. 
I remember back when Tibhar had to change the length of their long pips as some of them would exceed 2 mm in length (that's topsheet and pimple combined). Some people were disqualified for a untreated rubber as they were too long from the factory. However, nobody using sponge instead of OX was ever disqualified for the topsheet being too thick as they only measure a total and not just the topsheet.. In OX however, it becomes clear if the topsheet  is too thick.
As inverted comes always with a sponge (not legal without), only total thickness is measuered.
 
Anyways, if it's really obvious (as for example the 3 mm pips that I produced), they will find a way to disqualify someone.. 


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