Rate those players - USATT

I realize this is getting off-topic, but I found the PB-Ciz video more interesting than the original video of German players.  What struck me was that for all his power, Ciz didn't play very smart.  PB played a much more strategic match and that's how he won. 

Well, it looks like it was just a fun match, so perhaps Ciz will put more thought into it the next time they meet in a tournament.

Good Video and some really good rallies cheers for posting. Nice to see some matches which are from different leagues.

If I post the German TTR for those guys, some of you will really be surprised. 

Edited by Topspin_Tim - 04/24/2014 at 5:01am

Topspin_Tim wrote: If I post the German TTR for those guys, some of you will really be surprised.  The first two players are normally really good blockers, thats why the game looks not as good as the second. These players are playing in the 1. "paarkreuz".  Red Nr. 1: 1861 TTR Blue Nr. 1: 1975 TTR The lefty and his opponent are playing in the 2. "paarkreuz".  Red Nr. 2: 1775 TTR<span ="apple-tab-span"="" style="white-space:pre">     </span> Blue Nr. 2:  1826 TTR Do you want more German League Videos to guess on?

The german rating really is not compareable with the US Rating. My understanding is that approx. 1700 german rating is about 2000 US Rating. 1975 german rating is easily 2275 US rating.
If you add about 300 - 400 points to the german rating, it is approx. the US Rating..

This is a comparison as of 2011
TTR vs. USATT Ratings
Aleksandar Karakasevic 2500 | 2850
Thomas Keinath 2420 | 2800
Lucian Blaszczyk 2500 | 2800
Joerg Rosskopf 2400 | 2730
Patrick Baum 2450 | 2730
Steffen Mengel 2350 | 2720
Stefan Feth 2275 | 2700
Andreas Ball 2130 | 2675
Tanja Hain-Hofman 2100 | 2500
Franz-Josef Huermann 1870 | 2230
Sebastian Lenzen 2050 | 2230
Thorsten Esch 1700 | 2140
Andreas Hain 1800 | 2130
Fabian Schulenburg 1800 | 2120
Markus Kirsten 1650 | 2100
Volker Schoeppe 1550 | 2070
Michael Backes 1600 | 1900


Using that comparison the approx. rating of the players would be: (and I'm only using the lower end of 300 points difference as in real life, it often varies over 400 points..






Edited by Pushblocker - 04/24/2014 at 7:30am

ByeByeAbout wrote: [ the point spread after game one if anyone was betting on this match would have been 40-1.  regards rick

I agree with that assessment. It looked like he completely destroyed me there but after I analyzed what was happening, it became clear to me what I did wrong. Richard is a very strong player and he scouts his opponents and he saw how I placed the ball against previous opponents and he had a game plan based on the usual placement of my serves and returns in the first game and I gave him exactly what he was expecting. I was predictable and that's why he completely destroyed me. He knew what spin was on the ball and where I would put them. I started mixing up placement, depth and also watched where he was going and put the ball often where he didn't expect it which made him open up instead of killing the ball. That's all I needed to get back into the game. My game depends on the opponents open up shot. That's the one that I block to force that first push and when the opponent starts his first push, I usually take over control of the point.

Topspin_Tim wrote: Pushblocker wrote: The german rating really is not compareable with the US Rating. My understanding is that approx. 1700 german rating is about 2000 US Rating. 1975 german rating is easily 2275 US rating. If you add about 300 - 400 points to the german rating, it is approx. the US Rating.. This is a comparison as of 2011 TTR vs. USATT Ratings Aleksandar Karakasevic 2500 | 2850 Thomas Keinath 2420 | 2800 Lucian Blaszczyk 2500 | 2800 Joerg Rosskopf 2400 | 2730 Patrick Baum 2450 | 2730 Steffen Mengel 2350 | 2720 Stefan Feth 2275 | 2700 Andreas Ball 2130 | 2675 Tanja Hain-Hofman 2100 | 2500 Franz-Josef Huermann 1870 | 2230 Sebastian Lenzen 2050 | 2230 Thorsten Esch 1700 | 2140 Andreas Hain 1800 | 2130 Fabian Schulenburg 1800 | 2120 Markus Kirsten 1650 | 2100 Volker Schoeppe 1550 | 2070 Michael Backes 1600 | 1900 -->  Using that comparison the approx. rating of the players would be: (and I'm only using the lower end of 300 points difference as in real life, it often varies over 400 points.. Red Nr. 1: 1861 TTR  2161+ USATT Blue Nr. 1: 1975 TTR 2275+ USATT The lefty and his opponent are playing in the 2. "paarkreuz".  Red Nr. 2: 1775 TTR 2075+ USATT Blue Nr. 2:  1826 TTR 2126+ USATT Here are more comparisons between USATT and German TTR name | TTR | USATT  Timothy Wang 2241 | 2606 --> 365 Chance Friend 2061 | 2453 --> 392 Barney Reed 2048 | 2524 --> 476 Homayoun Kamkar-Parsi 1973 | 2603 --> 630 (?!) Stephen Clyde 1810 | 2263 --> 453 Johannes Böhme 1770 | 2232 --> 462 average of 463 These are the best, which i have found. All these Players played many tournaments on both sides.

300 points difference was the lower end of the spectrum.. The difference is probably more than that.  I'd estimate that i"m about a 1850 TTR player at best in germany with my 2155 USATT rating (and I do believe that I'm about 50 - 100 points underrated right now in the US)

Edited by Pushblocker - 04/24/2014 at 8:37am

Topspin_Tim wrote: Yeah, it´s really hard to tell...because the TTR and the USATT himself fluctuates much... Here is another video. What do you think about their rating? You can guess in both, TTR and USATT.

Those are some talented young players.. I'd say that they are both at least at 2400 - 2500 US level..  Looks like good Oberliga level..

Edited by Pushblocker - 04/24/2014 at 9:21am