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LUCKYLOOP
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Kid, means the smaller person, who is just a little taller than the table. The other player is over 18 and considered an adult. Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 06/14/2014 at 2:41pm |
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In your world-view, maybe. In my world-view: No grey hair; no paunch around the waist; doesn't have wraps around his knees and elbows; probably has no idea what "reading glasses" are for = "kid". |
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Kid update He is attending a TT training camp in Central Russia in June and will return home June 29 to play in another of these tournaments. |
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LUCKYLOOP
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Here is recent local tournament match Sunday 6/29 for the red kid. LINK Do you still think he is 1700 ? .... |
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I said U 2000, based on videos Ive seen on adults with an actual rating., Americans are funny, cause when ever they are asked to rate a no rated player, they rate them very low. From what Ive seen, 1800 isnt all that good and I think this kid would beat most of them pretty easy. Could perhaps struggle against some styles, like most kids, but over all consistent enough to beat most sub 2000 players that Ive seen.
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Red kid - 1850
Blue kid - 1600
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2015 USATT Ratings:
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JonathanVN
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However, the kid in the blue does serve illegally almost every single time. There is no way that he does 6 inch tosses…more like 2 inches.
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LUCKYLOOP
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Can you cut him some slack because of his height ? He is not gaining any advantage from the lack of toss ! Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 06/30/2014 at 12:50pm |
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JonathanVN
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I wasn't being any harder on him than anybody else who plays the game. The fact is, the rule clearly says that the ball should be tossed at least 6 inches. Now granted, most people do not follow this rule, so I will cut him some slack, especially because he is short like you said. And he actually may be gaining an advantage from the lack of toss, it just may not affect you like it could others. The problem is, since he is young and doesn't know how to manipulate the rule and spin the ball from his hand, he may eventually learn such things. I just don't want him to be called out at a tournament if he starts beating someone.
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Swiff
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He may be around 1800. Although his form is good, he lacks the experience to pass that level right now, I think.
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Jokers be lacing their salads with those special California mushrooms if they think he is only 1700. Still, it can be easy to mis-classify someone from a peak at a vid. I have more than once stuck my foot my mouth deep doing the same thing.
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LUCKYLOOP
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07/13/14 video of red kid in another local tournament. The gal he is playing is the top female player on her University TT team. Do you still think the red kid is 1850 ? LINK |
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Is that the new ball? Sounds different, and some weird rallies.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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LUCKYLOOP
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Not the new ball ! The rallies may seem weird because the Gal has LP's on her BH. |
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LUCKYLOOP
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Update on the Kid - 10 years old Recent 9/14/14 tournament where he finished 19th of 30, in a very strong adult field. In this video, he plays a female, my estimate at least 2100, who finished 9th of the 30. One guy who is at least 2200-2300 finished 12th in this tournament, usually beats the female previously mentioned. VIDEO |
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cole_ely
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He certainly looks a lot better in this video, to me. Quality of opponent makes so much difference.
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hhca
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is that his parent in the 3rd set that went to the side of table to take a pic? Very odd! If you take tt seriously, get the hell out there during a game
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mts388
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I don't think it was a parent. He was in other videos taking pictures of other players. |
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was it Rob of the outpost? :)
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The young boy is improving, for a while it looked like every rally was the same, it wasn't until the girl varied her backhand placement and shot selection, I would do shorter serves to him-myself
I still believe he should start doing legal serves, ....otherwise well otherwise
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The kid is nowhere near 1800. I've played with kids his age or thereabouts who are much more rounded, have legal serves, better form, better footwork. I probably have a 40-50% record against these kids. They're probably around 1600 max, where I'm 1400 rising.
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Using USATT estimates here If your using Ratings Central Rating estimate, it is on the average 156 points below the USATT ratings per their website. |
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Update: The 10 year old kid is playing in competition in Russia, for only Russian country players, the top players in his age group, I think 20 were invited. |
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If she's 2100-2200, he's clearly under 2000. The way I saw it was that she was toying with him. She was running him around all over the table. He got a few good shots in, but it was often on her mistake. It almost seemed that if she wanted to she could just counter his loops to end the point - she did it a few times and it was very nonchalant. She intentionally served everything long to his BH corner daring him to step around and loop. She wasn't worried about the loop and used it to run him to the other corner. I could see him being 1800-1900, but that's probably the highest I would go right now. He also needs to learn a little about tactics - he fed right into her game. Sometimes you need to open with your BH rather than run around and hit with your FH - especially if your opponent has shown that your opening FH loop not only doesn't present a problem, but gives them the advantage.
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I think this may be a case of training for the future. That is, his coaches have him doing a lot of things that are not optimal for his size and reach at this time but which will be his fundamental tactics when is a little older and physically larger and stronger.
I once overheard a coach at a tournament tell one of his juniors something to the effect " I don't care if you are missing all those loops. You are doing great trying to move into position. Keep it up and soon they will be landing and you will really have a higher level game." He was not concerned at all with her results at that tournament. He just wanted to make sure that she was ingraining the techniques and tactics she would need for the higher level of play he was trying to get her to in the future. Maybe something like that is going on here. I think Larry Hodges blogged about this dilemma between playing with tactics that will give you the best chance of winning now at the expense of developing habits that will make it harder to develop the tactics and techniques that you will need later and playing with tactics that give you less chance of winning now but help you develop the skills you will need at higher levels. He noted that part of the problem is you often need to win a lot when young to get recognized so that you get access to high level coaching and possibly have part of your training costs subsidized. Mark
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Great point. I didn't take that into account.
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BH-Man
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The kid looked several hundred points lower level than the girl chopper, but then again, this kid is already above average USATT club player level...
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I know nothing, looking for my rubber cleaner. I dislike these rating posts. Kid has a few skills. |
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So hard to accurately rate someone from Vids. My form is terrible, but I have experience and can wiggle out wins here and here. Some players, especially young coached players, have excellent form, but lose a lot.
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