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It's much slower if you drive it, but not that slow at topspin play
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I do like the MX-P and still have it on a Violin which I use once a while just for kicks.  Is the BD close to it in speed?

In most ways, yes, if my memory serves me right.  A bit slower when flat hitting, but for most other things, it is pretty similar.
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Anyone know how it will behave on W968?
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tried my 40 degree sample red max from yinhe. i tuned it and it felt weird!! it clicks when i hit it but it felt slow and not as spinny. im loving the moon speed though
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

tried my 40 degree sample red max from yinhe. i tuend it and it felt weird!! it clicks when i hit it but it felt slow and not as spinny. im loving the moon speed though

Did you tune it before or after you first tried it?  The rubber is already heavily tuned.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

tried my 40 degree sample red max from yinhe. i tuend it and it felt weird!! it clicks when i hit it but it felt slow and not as spinny. im loving the moon speed though

What were your impressions before tuning?
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i didn't try it untuned because i never like 40 degree rubbers.  although their 40 degree sponge seems softer than the dhs 40 degree version
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Yes, it's definitely softer than DHS.  Same goes for the 39.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

i didn't try it untuned because i never like 40 degree rubbers.  although their 40 degree sponge seems softer than the dhs 40 degree version

Well, that was a mistake.  As every previous review has pointed out, Big Dipper had a softer feeling sponge - whether tuning drove that or the sponge is just different was not clear.  In any case, at least, I now know how to interpret any comments you make about the rubber.


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The hardness comparison was made before it was tuned. It is way softer now maybe like 38 degrees because of the oil i applied and r layers of booster. I think it's more of the oil's fault
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So you don't like 40 deg rubbers, you tested its hardness and saw it didn't feel as hard but you still went ahead and tuned it?

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yes, coz i wanted it to be softer. it was a sample yinhe sent me anyway. i think the real culprit is the baby oil i applied that made the sponge weird. the revolution no. 3 booster made it curl for 2 weeks now and still hasn't flatten. i applied 4=5 layers in a span of 3 days and it curled like it was before i glued it and then i added 2 layers of baby oil to soften it up. 
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Just to modify something I said previously. I gave my 40 to a clubmate after trial. I tried it Thursday night and it had become quite tacky. still fast for being so tacky. I wouldn't want it any softer though being so tacky. I thought it played great.
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I played w BD with 38 degree sponge last night with a LQ-1 defensive blade and really liked it. Indeed I am a worried since most of the time I dislike chinese rubbers till they have broken in after a few sessions. It remains to be seen how it breaks in, but this stuff hits better off the table than any other chinese rubber I have tried to date. Much better than thors.

I am surprised to hear it compared to H3. I have never had an H3 sheet (I probably have tried it 3 times including a H3neo) play anything like this. But have never really tuned. I did not speed glue H3 back in the day but did use a number of layers of rubber cement.
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

I played w BD with 38 degree sponge last night with a LQ-1 defensive blade and really liked it. Indeed I am a worried since most of the time I dislike chinese rubbers till they have broken in after a few sessions. It remains to be seen how it breaks in, but this stuff hits better off the table than any other chinese rubber I have tried to date. Much better than thors.

I am surprised to hear it compared to H3. I have never had an H3 sheet (I probably have tried it 3 times including a H3neo) play anything like this. But have never really tuned. I did not speed glue H3 back in the day but did use a number of layers of rubber cement.
 
Be careful when speaking to people who regularly use Chinese rubbers when they speak about Big Dipper.  As a former Tenergy 05 user who also never boosts, Big Dipper is the only Chinese rubber that I have ever been able to work with without feeling that I was really losing something away from the table or even sometimes at the table (I wanted something that blocked closer to an Euro rubber and this does except for the tack).  H3 users find it too springy and call it slow because they want to do their extra physical loops with it or too fast because of its catapult.  I prefer the Big Dipper behavior coming from Tenergy 05.  I tried Tenergy 80 two days ago and I dropped the paddle and started looping with Big Dipper again.  After a few loops, the guy who was blocking stopped blocking and asked me what I was using, saying that the contrast in quality was obvious for my looping style and this rubber was so much grippier/tackier.  He then tried it and the contrast in quality was also clear and positive for his looping style.  I don't play 10 feet off the table so there might be limitations I don't see, but from a spin perspective with the plastic ball especially, this is a winner.  IT's for people who always liked Chinese rubbers but didn't boost and didn't want to play like Hercules all the time.


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

I do like the MX-P and still have it on a Violin which I use once a while just for kicks.  Is the BD close to it in speed?

In most ways, yes, if my memory serves me right.  A bit slower when flat hitting, but for most other things, it is pretty similar.

geez - it must be super fast. To me, MX-P feels like T05 with a couple of layers of booster on it. Is it heavier than T05 / MX-P?
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That's because MX-P probably does have a couple layers of booster on it. :P
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I think the Big Dipper really is a hybrid (I haven't tried 38, but I really enjoy 39).  There are similarities to both euro style and chinese style rubbers.  Before BD, I was using H3 Neo Prov and before that I was using T05.  
I feel like it fits in the middle on all aspects.  Not as fast as T05, but faster than H3N.  Not as spinny as H3N but as spinny if not spinnier than T05.  Short game is much better than T05, but not as good as H3N.  Not as tacky as H3N (which really wasn't that tacky as far as chinese rubbers go).  It's also a very different feel.  On some shots it resembles a chinese rubber and others a euro rubber.

Everything is a compromise and I feel like this puts you in the middle of everything.  It's not as good as traditional chinese rubber in the things that chinese rubbers excel in, but it's better in other areas.  Same goes for euro rubbers.  
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I just don't get the rubber. Tried again on my samsonov force pro black edition and it had a very high throw but slow speed . it really felt weird and slow.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

I just don't get the rubber. Tried again on my samsonov force pro black edition and it had a very high throw but slow speed . it really felt weird and slow.

Which sponge did you try?  In my experience, I don't find BD to be slow.  What are you comparing it to when you say it's slow?


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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

I just don't get the rubber. Tried again on my samsonov force pro black edition and it had a very high throw but slow speed . it really felt weird and slow.
Maybe if you had used it without ever boosting it, you would have been more confident about how it really played.
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Maybe the boosting affected it. I have a 40 degree red max. I find it slow because the moon speed 38 degrees that i have also is very bouncy and fast.
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I didn't like the 40deg.  I was expecting to like it more since it was closer in hardness to the H3Neo, but no such luck.  It felt very different from the 39, and less dynamic.  If you're willing to give it another shot, try 38 (based on other people's reviews) or 39 without booster.
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I tried the 39 coming from the 38, and they seemed very different to me.  The 38 has some spring to it, while the 39 played like a typical tacky rubber to me.  

Also the red 39 I bought had corners, but no internal airtight packaging, while my black 38 did have the internal airtight packing.  I also bought a 39 in black that did not have the internal packaging, and it did not have corners.  My black 38 sheet seemed more of a hybrid, but my red 39 sheet seems tackier and less springy.  

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Originally posted by bluehorseshoe bluehorseshoe wrote:

I tried the 39 coming from the 38, and they seemed very different to me.  The 38 has some spring to it, while the 39 played like a typical tacky rubber to me.  

Also the red 39 I bought had corners, but no internal airtight packaging, while my black 38 did have the internal airtight packing.  I also bought a 39 in black that did not have the internal packaging, and it did not have corners.  My black 38 sheet seemed more of a hybrid, but my red 39 sheet seems tackier and less springy.  

I wonder if you got the untuned version.  My 39s all have the airtight package.
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Mine had a sealed packing
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I should get my galaxy order in on Monday.  I'll let you know if the 39 is sealed and domed, etc.
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Sound like there is a Tuned, and unturned version of BD?  How does one know or make sure that the one they get is tuned?
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