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skip3119
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Well, Joo also chops with his inverted side from forehand. So, strictly he is not 100% pips chopper.
============================= All choppers, with pips on BH, when the ball comes to FH side, they attack or chop with FH inverted.
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The lefty is a factor. When your forehand is always going naturally into the chop, you are making most of your loops in your preferred direction. There are left handers who do not play chop well, but note that this also helps Boll vs. choppers and Chen Qi too.
On the power thing, the element that Xu Xin has isn't so much the power, but that he can repeatedly sidespin into the chop. This is much harder to consistently get action on for the chopper. Finally, his defence is good enough to contain Joo when Joo switches. Even Ma Long acts surprised when Joo attacks. For Xu Xin, hee expects Joo to attack because Joo has no chance. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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============================== That makes sense. XX is not a stronger player than ML. ML can beat Joo for sure, but can not kill Joo bad. XX kills Joo pretty bad, Joo had no chance. ============================= Now, about another pips chopper: Shiono Masato gave Dima a hard time (their last match), Dima came back from behind in the 7th game and won. Dima lucked out. Can Masato gives XX a hard time (same as he gave to Dima) if they should play down the road? They have never played before. My guess is "No". What is your opinion?
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My guess is no. Beating chopper is not about power. It is about control and being able to set up the chopper, then power. Xu Xin has extremelu conaistent set up shot.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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assiduous
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Its kind of ironic that Chinese men all have beautiful strokes, and Euro men have mostly ugly chicken wing swings, but when its comes to women, its the other way around. There are quite a few euro women with good looking strokes, and not one chinese gal. Yes, Eli Samara has great strokes, and so does Daniela Dodean. But I've seen more, whose names I can't remember, but I've seen matches where the rally and the strokes look like a male match - full swing, good power.
By the way, to compare ZJK's BH to that of chinese women is a complete disgrace. That is a bit too much of a dumb comment. Give ZJK a lose ball, and he will decapitate you. He loads it up with so much power that it looks scary. And when he has time his backswing flexes his entire body, he compresses and decompresses like a jumping cat. Even on serve receive he manages to put a decent back swing. That's why he has the spinniest serve receive in the world. I remember his match with WLQ at WTTC 2011. His BH was absolutely monstrous, completely demoralizing to opponent. To compare ZJK's BH to the chinese girls, really, it means that you don't understand nothing or don't care what you are saying.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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slevin
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I like the jumping cat analogy!
But, think about this:
All's I'm sayin' is: give them the benefit of the doubt - they probably know what they're doing & we minions probably just don't know the 'Why'. Edited by slevin - 10/06/2014 at 3:29pm |
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NextLevel
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What is really pathetic is that the European women are using the exact same chicken wing strokes that Sid insults the top European men for.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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assiduous
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There is no doubt here, no speculation. Just two facts. Chinese women are the best (1). I have never seen anyone dispute that. But Chinese women have strokes, that while being effective, are aesthetically hideous. This is just a fact, completely independent from them being good. Where is the video of that girl from Vietnam that we watched recently? Pure beauty. You can't tell me her strokes don't look better than anybody on CNT.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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popperlocker
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So if I go rob a bank and don't get caught, I didn't cheat right? How about if I poison my opponent? As I already mentioned, there is nothing wrong with cheating, using underhand tactics, illegal serves, stalling, poisoning. However, it's not my cup of tea.
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Totally Improper analogy. Anyway, I don't label a player questioning a likely edgy shot as a cheater, especially there is no evidence that this player had been involved in similar complains repeatedly. I'd like to think most players, even very competitive ones, at heart, are fair and decent people. So if I go rob a bank and don't get caught, I didn't cheat right? How about if I poison my opponent? As I already mentioned, there is nothing wrong with cheating, using underhand tactics, illegal serves, stalling, poisoning. However, it's not my cup of tea. |
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Hm... XX had disputed edge calls before. That alone obviously is OK, except when I saw him do that, at least a couple of times, he missed the edge by quite a bit and lost the point. He got his way vs. FZD this time though.
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If FZD had got that point who knows maybe he could have won the match. He would have won at 11-8 instead of getting to deuce. Maybe that would have boosted his confidence just enough to win the next game.
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Machine_Head
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The Ma Long Joo Sae Hyuk match was epic! I am a ML fan but I was rooting for JSH the whole time. My dad and I were glued to the screen. Much respect for JSH. :)
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assiduous
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Have you seen Timo Boll not shake hands after the match? He's as good a sportsman as you will find.
Well I saw him get into a dispute with XX, and Timo looked 100% sure. The referee asked XX if he admits the error, but XX denied. Timo was up 3:1, but lost that game, and ended up losing the match. After the last point he refused to shake hands. I saw a similar situation happen between XX and WLQ, and XX was on the wrong side of the call again. He won that game, but WLQ ended up winning 4:3 after highest drama. Not an honest player this XX fella..
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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jackwong23
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he is a dishonest moron |
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nittakuball
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so,you means there still using 40 ball?not 40+ ball |
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slowman
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YouTube video?
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TurboZ
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Yes. XX will be remembered as the last winner of celluloid era. Does table tennis umpire need to pass any stringent eye sight and hearing test? Most are not young by the look. With today's technology I do believe it is needed to maintain fair play without any human error intervention. An international level game's outcome should never be relying on one's integrity or words. |
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skip3119
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=============================== Assiduous: Please provide the video. Btw, another forum member "slowman (of Canada)" also asked you to provide the youtube video.
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janus700
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★ [Youtube Playlist] 24 Videos/Matches of this Great TT-Event ★
Edited by janus700 - 10/08/2014 at 10:09am |
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The previous Playlist updated with 2 private recordings from MT Preliminary Round:
# CHINA Vs SINGAPORE: 3-2 1. Zhang Jike - Li Hu 2. FAN Zhendong - Chen Feng: 2-3 3. Ma Long - Chew Zhe Yu Clarence: 3-0 4. Fan Zhendong - Li Hu: 2-3 5 Zhang Jike - Chen Feng [game 1] [game 5] Edited by janus700 - 10/09/2014 at 5:13am |
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Machine_Head
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Can't thank you enough janus700!
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skip3119
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======================== Me too.
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The Observer
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Any theory why Fan ZD performed so poor in this round?
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skip3119
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=================================== Fan Zhendong vs Xu Xin, they played 13 times. (According to Ratings Central.) Fan won 4 times but lost 9 times against Xu Xin. Edited by skip3119 - 10/08/2014 at 5:25pm |
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janus700
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You're very kind! Thanks to both of you!
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The Observer
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Skip,
I was talking about why Fan Zhendong lost to two lowly SIN players.
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============================== The Observer: My apology. I thought you were talking about FZD's loss to Xu Xin. Xu Xin has a history of beating FZD more than FZD beat him. ---------------------------------------------------------- As to FZD's loss to Li Hu and Chen Feng, I don't know how that could happen. FZD is ranked #2 in the world in the latest ITTF ranking. Note: Li Hu, ITTF #80. Chen Feng, ITTF #103.
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nittakuball
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hi,any video> Thanks |
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kindof99
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Ma long and ZJK are likely in the LGL's list for the next Olympic game. He would probably pick XX or FZD depending on their performance. XX and FZD are likely in the 2020 Olympic games. One of ML and ZJK might have retired at that time.
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