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DaNgo
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Posted: 10/24/2014 at 10:34am |
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I played table tennis 2 year ago with inverted rubber. I'm a penholder and now I want to change to shortpips forehand and inverted rubber backhand. I buy a HRT Clipper Wood/Stiga clone to use with shortpips. Can someone tell me is what shortpips easy to use for shortpips-beginer. Some friend of mine told that TSP Spectol or 729 802 is easy, is that real? Is any shortpips else again? And how thick is it, I see proffessional shortpips-er ussually choose 1.8mm, that is standard?
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suds79
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I play penhold and play 802 in 2.0 sponge on Clipper. Control is amazing and simply feels so good. 802 is good, classic & cheap. Being new to SP, this for me would be a big selling point just in case you absolutely hate SPs. If you do? You're out 10 bucks vs the 30+ some for TSP. Plus 802 really good also. I have a 35 deg soft version which is nice and controlled but if you need a little more pop, Cole sells 802 and I believe he can put it either on a more firm or spingy sponge for you. I'm the penholder in this video. Not really an 802 review here but at least you can see some hits with the 802 on the new poly ball. Hope you find a winner. Edited by suds79 - 10/24/2014 at 11:04am |
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mhnh007
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Stiga Clippa is easy for SH player to use on BH, for PH I am not sure, you may want to give it a try. I use Andro Blowfish on FH side, and like it very much, but may not be so easy to play, since you are not familiar with SP. So I think Clippa is better for you coming from inverted.
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DaNgo
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You play so good, I like it :) . I will try 802 first
Does Liu Gouliang use that pip. I looking for shortpips for FH, not BH because I use inverted rubber for BH :)
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JohnnyChop
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1.8 is pretty standard for amateurs…
Thicker sponge will bring more speed and spin but you will loose out on the sink effect and control when you do any shot that is not spin oriented (hits, blocks, punches…)! 1.5 to 1.8 seems to be a good balance of all the characteristics at the amateur level. Spectol and 802 are both good pips, IMHO Speed: Spectol>802 Spin: 802>Spectol Sink effect: Spectol>802 You can't go wrong with either... In my mind there are three levels of spin with short pips… Spin-oriented pip like 802-40 and Raystorm (inverted strokes will still work and you can even loop a little off the table) Classical pips like 802 or Spectol (you can still do low spin loops at the table but you have to be really precise) Low-Spin pips like Baxter, DrEvil and 802-1 (they have no spin capability but a huge sink effect, they are for hard blocking and flat hitting) For the transition it might be better to use spin-oriented pips where a lot of the inverted strokes will still work… or you can jump in the deep end and start flat hitting and hard blocking with the classical pips... |
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LGL used a version of TSP spinpips which has now been outlawed… he did try 802-40 and Clippa after the rules changed but with no real success… Modern TSP super spinpip is horrible for me… it feels way too mushy… If LGL is who inspires you, to make his style work, it is best to get a spin oriented pip
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Try this, you can find it at colesTT...not SP but MP
http://www.tabletennisratings.com/equipment/friendship-729-ritc-563-reviews/306/1/user-ratings.html Edited by thatguy - 10/24/2014 at 11:56am |
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im using hexer pip pretty spinny and great knuckle ball efect, how is blowfish compared to hexer pip not+?
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JOOLA "express ultra" is as good or better than any short pip rubber you are going to use, I have tried several, it has very good speed and i can still spin the ball with my backhand...this is a fact!
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I think Blowfish has softer and wider PIPs and Hexer, so it's is a bit easier to use, especially FH side. I think Blowfish is better if you play aggressive, full out attack. The Hexer does have the weird knuckle ball effect on hard block, so I like it better for BH.
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Butterfly Challenger Attack, Nittaku Express, YASAKA Original-T are all soft-sponged short pimple rubbers that can produce a good amount of spin, but are very very easy to play with.
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I have tried many of the pips listed above, but found the easiest inverted to short pips transition is to Winning NP-8, with soft (30 degrees) or offensive ( 35 to 38 degrees) sponge. I use it on my forehand, and inverted on my backhand, but can flip to either side when needed.
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802-40 can do everything well and easy to pick up and use fast.
also cheap- can't beat it |
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+1 The easiest to use coming from inverted would be the "spin-oriented" pips. But if one wants to use spin-oriented pips, imo, why not stick with inverted? Going to "classical pips" and "low-spin pips" require a different stroke. If one wants to convert to pips, he needs to commit to the change and learn the stroke. imo, the "spin-oriented" pips just don't have the effects like the other 2 classes. If I ever go back to pips on FH again, I would stick with medium pips like Dr N's Killer or Globe 888 in 1.5. |
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Tuco is correct . . . the easiest SP to use are transition rubbers that play like inverted. Friendship 802-40 is fairly easy to use on the 35º sponge. Zeropong and Cole can certainly get that for you at a good price. -40 is much easier to use than the standard 802. However, like everything else in this sport, there is a tradeoff . . . more spin = more reaction to opponents spin. 802 is much better to hit through spin.
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If you are used to inverted, something like Raystorm is pretty easy to begin to learn SP.
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how is blowfish when blocking spinny loops? i want to know if its easy to handle or its just another smooth like pips out
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NP1 will be better choice. |
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stiga radical the only sp i am able to play with! (bh and fh)
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One of the easiest SP to transition from inverted are victas >102. Get them in 1.8 or 2.0 and its a great rubber lasts a long time as well.
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My mistake, wrong topic.
Edited by Ray - 10/25/2014 at 3:49pm |
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cheaper chinese pips are great for "trying" because they are cheap!!!! |
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Could you remind me of the difference? It seems like I used to know. |
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This is the point. If one is going to play SP he must have the advantages SP can provide. I refuse to play with spin-oriented SP since I had much trouble blocking spinny loops, and even receiving services. I find this interesting because I always liked pips with horizontal alignment but now I play only with vertical ones. I´m using Xtend PO, which reacts little to uncoming spin and allows hitting through topspins more easily. Also, my opponents say it´s hard to play against Xtend than when I used Xiom Zava, which they said to be pretty much like an inverted.
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