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Clarence247 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Member Joined: 02/11/2014 Location: Malta Status: Offline Points: 557	Post Options Post Reply Quote Clarence247 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Beginner setup Posted: 10/30/2014 at 8:32am
	My bro has started to train table tennis. He is a typical strong basement player with lots of unorthodox movements, but excellent control, placement, great spin generation on chops, good serve receive and spin reading. I would rate him in the USATT 1300 range. He wins all games vs untrained players and some vs trained juniors or trained beginners, but of course he will have trouble with more experienced trained players He will now be training proper techniques and practising around 3 times per week. He needed a new setup (he was playing with a Dunlop premade!) He wanted to make his purchase yesterday so after some research we got: Blade: Yasaka Extra Rubbers: Palio CJ8000 and Galaxy Moon 38 degrees (normal not Pro) This kept the budget low and should provide him with a good base for learning proper looping and blocking while allowing him to keep playing chops which are his natural strong point. The question is: is this combination really too slow? I mean would it be better to put slightly faster rubbers or was a blade like Xiom Diva more appropriate? Does this rubber / blade combination work well? I have never played with the rubbers or the blade before, but they seem to form an excellent controlled setup which can allow him to master techniques he maybe even unaware of at this stage.
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100niTenis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: 02/13/2014 Location: Online Status: Offline Points: 2093	Post Options Post Reply Quote 100niTenis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/30/2014 at 8:45am
	It is not slow. It is faster than what he had. This will be good transition for 6 months or more to come ... Maybe even more !

cole_ely Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898	Post Options Post Reply Quote cole_ely Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/30/2014 at 12:16pm
	I will add that it may feel a bit slow at first on the fh side, depending on how sticky the palio is. It should pick up speed as it wears.
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racquetsforsale Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 10/02/2010 Location: at the table Status: Offline Points: 1268	Post Options Post Reply Quote racquetsforsale Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/30/2014 at 2:22pm
	I've used CJ8000 on a Yasaka Extra. Ball contact felt, well, convoluted if you will. I recommend Donic Appelgren Allplay or Persson Powerallround. Senso or solid handle is fine, except Senso versions might get top heavy. Both blades pair well with a good range of rubbers, whether grippy, tacky, hard sponge, or soft sponge. I also recommend Palio Hidden Dragon instead of CJ8000. It has more feel. Use the harder version for FH and softer version for BH.

BH-Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 02/05/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5042	Post Options Post Reply Quote BH-Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/30/2014 at 3:19pm
	Clarence, your bro can do well with that blade/rubber, it is very allround and capable enough for him to "learn" TT if he decides to go in that direction with lessons at a club if available. Price complete for that setup is likely very reasonable around USD $70 give or take a little and shipping. He could also get along just fine with Cole's buster with XP 2008, the 896 with 2008, the Genote O with 2008 and it would all be around $30 to $40 USD. He could also get a Wallmart $3 USD bat with SP, peel off the SP and rub off the glue and slap on some 2008 and it would fulfill the same role. I often make bats for Soldiers with Wallmart blade and 2008 or whatever rubbers are lying around ro donated. Don't sweat it too much, you are choosing equipment that is middle of the road speed and controllable, even if that Palio rubber is a bit tacky, it is slow and controllable. Even a not-so-very spin reactive rubber like 2008 can react to strong spin and one must still read the spin and use effective bat angle and swing plane and impact point. Middle of the road controllable gear will allow your bro to learn if he decides to pursue that or simply allow him to make shots now and have fun if that is all he is interested in.
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BH-Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 02/05/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5042	Post Options Post Reply Quote BH-Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/30/2014 at 3:29pm
	Clarence, when I am not using my expensive Nexy OFF or so speed class blades, I often play with an ALL+ to OFF- speed class Galaxy 896 I made heavier, use XP 2008 Super Power (a medium speed control rubber) (You also use it) and Aurus for FH. These are the two rubbers I use to test nearly every bat. I know what I am getting. Coming from playing with OFF speed composite bats, this bat would be slower, and it is. Yet, I still hit pretty hard and it is fast enough with even average speed rubbers. Such a setup is plenty controllable and still provides enough potential to grow and still hit hard when needed. I think that is essentially what you are trying to achieve. Don't sweat it that bat combo you chose will do the same mission just as well as the one I chose once he gets used to it and starts to improve and apply what he learns in lessons or training.
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frogger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 08/03/2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3062	Post Options Post Reply Quote frogger Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/30/2014 at 7:25pm
	There is absolutely nothing wrong with "middle of the road" in terms of blade and rubber performance. The potential is there for plenty of power especially if a player has good form and fast arm speed. Just my 2 and a half peanuts.
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