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Slow loop - why and when to use? |
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The longer answer is something like this.
*Slow* in *slow* spinny topspin is relative. What people mean is that the ball is not a drive. The ball can still be relatively fast. However, the contact is thin because the ball is not being driven hard. Because the ball has a straighter trajectory, it will come across faster than higher arcing slow loop. But it is still very slow relative to a loop drive. A loop drive would use thicker contact (all the way to the wood). A slow loop is more brush.
Letting the ball drop lets you use a lifting to stroke to get more topspin, but the key is really the brushing for the spin, keeping a closed racket face to keep the ball low, holding the racket lightly to avoid hard contact and having good racket head speed, especially with the wrist. My forehand loop is essentially a slow spinny topspin almost every time - I almost never drive my forehand unless the ball is really high and I usually smash that anyway. It's partly because I don't have the knees to generate the extra speed and spin simultaneously with loop drives, so I priotize spin over speed when looping.
On my backhand, it is much easier, because there are more levers there. On both sides, (forehand and backhand), it is critical to take the racket back (but not so far back you mistime the ball) so that the brush has enough racket head speed to grip the ball. Aim for the top of the ball. Start by looping the ball into the net and open progressively until the ball barely goes over it. The contact should be silent. It's one of the benefits of using Tenergy or extremely grippy/tacky modern rubbers with modern sponges as they let the ball sink in a little more before the ball gets pushed out so you can close the blade more. The later you take the ball in terms of distance to the net, the easier you can arc the ball low over the net.
The shot is different with older rubbers because those don't let the ball sink in as much into the sponge, meaning you have to lift the ball to get topspin rather than go over it so you have to experiment.
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Next Level,
Thanks for the info. I have no problem hitting a slower spinny loop with full brushing contact where there is almost no sound at all. I can also hit the much louder solid contact faster loop. It is just that the only way I can seem to get that slower one to go deep is too hit it quite a bit higher than the fast loop. Maybe I am just making the "slow" loop too slow. What height over the net would you consider "low" for a slow spinny loop? I probably need to worry a lot more about getting consistent with both loops before I worry so much about getting the quality of the loop up to a "pro" level. Mark |
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The best low balls require the returner to get down low so he can meet the ball with a horizontal swing and counter over the ball without an upward motion, or sometimes with an up and down motion. The higher ones allow the receiver to smash/punch downwards on the ball more easily with straighter legs, though there is risk here as well. But like I said before, there is always a customer for every loop type at our level. I find for example that my opening loop vs. backspin works best when I hook it to the wide forehand rather than just loop it there. It's a shot that I did less when I developed a real forehand loop, but I have started to go back to it more because it scores way more points than my "real" forehand loop. Many people recommend that you don't loop that way, but when lefties do it, people assume it is natural for lefties to do it - no fair in my opinion. Edited by NextLevel - 11/10/2014 at 5:49pm |
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Brush-looping perhaps is the more appropriate terminology than "slow" loop. All else being equal, the swing speed and angle will determine the speed and trajectory of the shot. The more forward the swing is the earlier the timing of contact needs to be. If you hear a squeak, the ball is actually skidding on the rubber and contact is too thin. You don't get more spin that way.
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Yes, brush looping is a better term. But then people go into hard brush and soft brush, so I think soft brush looping is what I am looking for (rotation over pace).
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I wish I could physically perform such a stroke. It would literally be game changing for me.
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Why can't you do it? Bad wrists?
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Sorry about that - I know you've told me before so I must be really inconsiderate to not remember the details. Have you considered changing playing hand completely?
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NextLevel,
You're not inconsiderate at all. No worries. I try to forget about my limitations, but some strokes are more difficult. Brush looping is hard enough when all your parts are operational. It requires more finesse, stamina, timing, etc than many other strokes.
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probably bc he noticed the opp had poor timing and/or was just smacking/passive blocking the ball there a bunch of cases where opp's level has weaknesses with slow heavy topspin but assuming that's not the case and it's pure strategy, you use it when someone's expecting to counter rip, rescue yourself when you're out of position, and when opening up into a topspin rip on the higher return.
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