Violence in Table Tennis

Violence in Table Tennis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5_qNBxXTA

Ya i played with a few players when they perform some own mistake they will shout and hit the table. some even kick the table. if during tournament never. but during practice or during unofficial matches most of the time happen like that. 

No justification for this behaviour. However, we need the full story - Igorponger where are you?

vutiendat1337 wrote: wow, that was the most rude and uncalled behavior I have seen in TT in a while. I mean, I have seen players threatening each other and make passes, etc. but why would he shove the referee/scorekeeper kid? He did not do anything wrong? That kid deserves some heavy spanking and no pingpong for a month

I am not sure what nextlevel and startas are talking about.

It absolutely does NOT matter what the prior incident was or why the player was angry. That behavior is always totally inappropriate under all circumstances. Always!

I wonder if there were any consequences for that behavior?  I have to say, I played my first tournament in 1970 (I was somewhere around the age of the kids on that video then) and I have seen a lot of strange stuff but I have never seen anything like that!  The umpire showed admirable restraint.

Well the caption in the video says it was a Kalashnikov tournament, so violence should not be unexpected...

*_strataras_* wrote: vanjr wrote: I am not sure what nextlevel and startas are talking about. It absolutely does NOT matter what the prior incident was or why the player was angry. That behavior is always totally inappropriate under all circumstances. Always! NextLevel covered me with his post.But I have to ask you something else...What was in your mind when you saw mine and nextlevel's post???That we applaud the incident or we try to cover this child's move?

I saw that there could be a justification for the action. I did not think either of you applauded it, but one could read what you all wrote as there is a possibility for a justification.

A comment by Alex Lomaev (video OP):

"Some data (obtained from participants in these competitions): Melnichenko did so because of the fact that the judge gave him a yellow and a red card. It is said that the judge at the competition was one of the best - clearly and correctly judged at all. It seems that for this and suffered.

Now he is (I dare say) the entire Russian judiciary.

Calling from the most marginalized (ultras) of the cast of players. How will Sports-disciplinary commission FNTR react?"

I think the scorekeeper kid reacted appropriately. Although he is much bigger (maybe older) he could have put the offender in his place easily but refrained from doing so.

But here is another question... Why not put adults as scorekeepers of these tourneys? I'm sure these kids wouldn't dare touch an adult scorekeeper. I hope this kid gets a heavy reprimand. Even if the scorekeeper did officiate the match unfairly there is no reason to play it out and then push him and trying to cause a fight. A simple solution would have been get an adult ref (head official) to officiate this game.

Also, these are "Cadet" level players, they are not "Youth" level anymore so they are basically teenagers so for him to act like this is just plain ol' bullying.

P.S. he looks like the next Shibaev in making with that attitude.

Edited by DreiZ - 11/19/2014 at 10:18am

he needs a spanking

Well, yellow and red card notwithstanding, you just don't do that. Any smarter, he would have waited and took the guy around the corner and gave him some beating, LOL. Jk, but seriously though, I don't think it's justified no matter what the referee did 

Edited by vutiendat1337 - 11/19/2014 at 1:11pm

vutiendat1337 wrote: Well, yellow and red card notwithstanding, you just don't do that. Any smarter, he would have waited and took the guy around the corner and gave him some beating, LOL. Jk, but seriously though, I don't think it's justified no matter what the referee did

A reaction without an action is confusing. Strataras brought to our attention clues about the action. That way we can see that the boy is badly behaved, but not inexplicably insane.

The way I see it.. some kind of bad blood had to have happened earlier in the match. Violence is not justified no matter what, but for all we know the referee could have been just as much of a spaz earlier in the match. He's a kid too, after all. 

ttTurkey wrote: Well the caption in the video says it was a Kalashnikov tournament, so violence should not be unexpected...

The tournament took place in Izhevsk, Russia which is the place where Kalashnikov lived and the main factory (or HQ) of the weapon-making company bearing his name is located. The tournament was dedicated to his 95-th anniversary... could have been also sponsored by the company, not sure.

JimT wrote: DreiZ wrote: A comment by Alex Lomaev (video OP): "Some data (obtained from participants in these competitions): Melnichenko did so because of the fact that the judge gave him a yellow and a red card. It is said that the judge at the competition was one of the best - clearly and correctly judged at all. It seems that for this and suffered. Now he is (I dare say) the entire Russian judiciary. Calling from the most marginalized (ultras) of the cast of players. How will Sports-disciplinary commission FNTR react?" The more exact translation would be "Some data (obtained from participants in these competitions): Melnichenko did so because the umpire gave him a yellow and a red card. It is said that this umpire was one of the best at the competition - he refereed clearly and correctly at all of his other matches as well. And it seems that he has suffered for that. Now he represents (I dare say) the entire Russian umpire community, being challenged by the most marginalized (ultras) faction of players. How will Disciplinary Commission of FNTR react?"

Yea I used google translate. Didn't feel like translating it myself.